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. >> but the bulk of this week's testimony came from david pecker. >> that's the former publisher of the national enquirer, who described how his publications suppress negative stories about trump as he was running for the presidency in 2016. john dean served as white house counsel during the nixon administration, and he joins us now john, always lovely to see you. thanks for coming on on this saturday. i'm curious, just first of all, what you've taken away from this first week where do you don't win or lose a case on on a week? you actually could lose it if you fumbled too badly, but this case has shown this prosecuting team knows what they're doing. they're telling you a story they've said an overview. they've sort of laid the basis of the broad conspiracy phoe to influence the election. and they're now getting down into some of the details for the jury. so it's just a stage setter at this point, pecker was a good witness the publisher of the national enquirer and it's been an attention grabbing week for the jury and the public and it's a case that likely is largely going to hinge
. >> but the bulk of this week's testimony came from david pecker. >> that's the former publisher of the national enquirer, who described how his publications suppress negative stories about trump as he was running for the presidency in 2016. john dean served as white house counsel during the nixon administration, and he joins us now john, always lovely to see you. thanks for coming on on this saturday. i'm curious, just first of all, what you've taken away from this first week...
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pecker, who was back on the stand for his fourth day of testimony during trump's attorney, emile bove as questioning of the former national enquirer publisher. he attempted to discredit one of the prosecution's key witnesses, trump's x personally the attorney michael cohen. he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration. pecker agreed he was after court. trump weighed in on the trial, eight days that we sitting in courthouse. i just want to thank hey, everybody for being here michelle for through this, like everybody else. >> michael cohen's banker took the stand on friday afternoon, explaining to the dreo he helped set up a bank account for the shell company that cohen ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment stormy daniels, there's no court on monday, but the banker will be back on the stand tuesday, answering question from prosecutors before trump's lawyers get a turn at him. kara scannell, cnn, new york and coming up former us attorney general, bill barr says donald trump should not be anywhere near the oval office, yet he still plans to vote for him assignmen
pecker, who was back on the stand for his fourth day of testimony during trump's attorney, emile bove as questioning of the former national enquirer publisher. he attempted to discredit one of the prosecution's key witnesses, trump's x personally the attorney michael cohen. he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration. pecker agreed he was after court. trump weighed in on the trial, eight days that we sitting in courthouse. i just want to thank hey, everybody for being here...
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. >> former tabloid publisher and longtime trump friend david pecker, wrapped up more than ten hours of testimony. jurors also heard from trump's former longtime personal assistant rhona graff, as well as michael cohen's banker, who arranged his home equity line of credit, which cohen used to pay stormy daniels $130,000 in hush money. cnn's paula reid has more so we have another day or or freezing courthouse. it's very cold. the former president donald trump's still not warming up to the reality of being on trial in the new york hush money case. >> today in court, david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, was back on the witness stand, tying pecker is non-prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors to an agreement he made to sell the national enquirer ideal contingent on the investigation into his company being resolved from a timing standpoint, it would have added onto the stress of the transaction. pecker testified they also tried to show how pecker had other reasons since beyond just helping trump win the white house for running negative stories about trump's
. >> former tabloid publisher and longtime trump friend david pecker, wrapped up more than ten hours of testimony. jurors also heard from trump's former longtime personal assistant rhona graff, as well as michael cohen's banker, who arranged his home equity line of credit, which cohen used to pay stormy daniels $130,000 in hush money. cnn's paula reid has more so we have another day or or freezing courthouse. it's very cold. the former president donald trump's still not warming up to the...
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x executive david pecker, who is back on the stand for his fourth day of testimony during trump's attorney, emile bove as questioning of the former national enquirer publisher. he attempted to discredit one of the prosecution's key witnesses, trump's x person it's an old attorney, michael cohen. he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration? pecker agreed he was after court, trump weighed in on the trial eight days that we all sitting in courthouse. i just want to thank everybody. i'm michele for through this, like everybody else michael cohen's banker took the stand on friday afternoon, explaining to the dreo he helped set up a bank account for the shell company that cohen ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment stormy daniels, there's no court on monday, but the banker will be back on the stand tuesday, answering question from prosecutors before trump's lawyers get a turn at him. >> kara scannell, cnn, new york former president donald trump will also have a key hearing next week on the gag order against him. thursday morning. judge, merchan will weigh prosecutors a
x executive david pecker, who is back on the stand for his fourth day of testimony during trump's attorney, emile bove as questioning of the former national enquirer publisher. he attempted to discredit one of the prosecution's key witnesses, trump's x person it's an old attorney, michael cohen. he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration? pecker agreed he was after court, trump weighed in on the trial eight days that we all sitting in courthouse. i just want to thank everybody....
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jonah, i got to say i was surprised at how much the prosecution got out of its first witness, david pecker, and especially the fact that he said, look, when when he was worried about these women, it was all about the campaign. >> it wasn't about trying to protect his family. melannie wonka me about i mean, that that's an important point because that's what the contention is that paying the soft was a campaign issue. it wasn't a personal issue. >> yeah. >> just on the strictly legal part of it it's not illegal to pay off somebody to keep quiet during a credit is illegal to call it a business expense, right? right. so it's a misdemeanor to call it a business to falsely call it a business expense, and it's a misdemeanor under federal election law, and you what brian's going 22 and misdemeanors together to get 34 felony is i don't think that math works legally, regardless. i don't think this is particularly great for trump it it does take time out of campaigning. it's gotta be a wet blanket on fundraising no, actually, it's rising a lot of money yeah. i mean, about like bigger donors and all t
jonah, i got to say i was surprised at how much the prosecution got out of its first witness, david pecker, and especially the fact that he said, look, when when he was worried about these women, it was all about the campaign. >> it wasn't about trying to protect his family. melannie wonka me about i mean, that that's an important point because that's what the contention is that paying the soft was a campaign issue. it wasn't a personal issue. >> yeah. >> just on the strictly...
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david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, in the witness box for all four days detailing his involvement with running stories favorable to trump and burying those that might hurt him friday also brought short testimony from trump executive assistant rhona graff and michael cohen's former better gary farro there was also a hearing on whether it was violating the gag order imposed by judge juan merchan. trump continued his pattern of speaking out about the case outside of the courtroom, the trial resumes again on tuesday, joining me now is criminal defendant it's attorney arthur aidala. arthur on that key issue of the purpose of the payments, the prosecution was able to get in through david pecker that this was about the campaign, not protecting trump's family how can trump get into evidence? his side of that unless he testifies good morning. and then say it's a privilege to be ali, sir, i'm a fan from a lot day that on television so you want to know the easy way, the easy way is at the end of people's case, donald trump takes the stand and he looks at the jury with the fir
david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, in the witness box for all four days detailing his involvement with running stories favorable to trump and burying those that might hurt him friday also brought short testimony from trump executive assistant rhona graff and michael cohen's former better gary farro there was also a hearing on whether it was violating the gag order imposed by judge juan merchan. trump continued his pattern of speaking out about the case outside of the...
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pecker lays out the paper trail and former president donald trump's criminal hush, money trial in new york. the major takeaways from his four days of testimony. and what's next in the trial? >> harvey weinstein will be back in court on wednesday, about a week after an appeals court overturned his conviction on sex crimes, what to expect from that appearance and what impact it could have on charges against him in the future. >> we begin this morning with a devastating tornadoes that tore through parts of nebraska and iowa friday, leaving paths of destruction behind them and a severe weather threat is not over as dangerous storms that could possibly bring more tornadoes continue to pose a risk for over 50 million people from michigan down to texas today, the elkhorn community in omaha, nebraska was one of the hardest just hit neighborhoods. look at this rows of homes, decimated by these tornadoes. families were left shaken, understandably by the event listen to this woman, she had to hunker down in her basement with her two young children we got home as fast as we could. i got my babies
pecker lays out the paper trail and former president donald trump's criminal hush, money trial in new york. the major takeaways from his four days of testimony. and what's next in the trial? >> harvey weinstein will be back in court on wednesday, about a week after an appeals court overturned his conviction on sex crimes, what to expect from that appearance and what impact it could have on charges against him in the future. >> we begin this morning with a devastating tornadoes that...
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pecker, which david pecker explained very well what that is for the purpose of affecting the 2016 election, as opposed to for the purpose of protecting his family from embarrassment, it's the intent that's the issue. >> okay. so gag order now, there's a hearing scheduled for thursday to hear the legations of 14 violations of the gag order this has been delayed at least from some legal experts that we've discussed with. >> why is this taking so long they were first a few and then before those were settled, there was another grouping. >> what's the impact of the delay? >> you know, what if you're a cynic on this one which maybe i'm citing in this cynical the judge wants to get more examples before ruling on the gag order, right? even more. agree. just examples because at this point, really the judge could absolutely rural and i don't understand other than that, just trying to get more examples of how this gag order is violated again and again and again, so that the judge is upheld on appeal on any on and usage and what really is the impact of of a gag order or the consequence of it if the ju
pecker, which david pecker explained very well what that is for the purpose of affecting the 2016 election, as opposed to for the purpose of protecting his family from embarrassment, it's the intent that's the issue. >> okay. so gag order now, there's a hearing scheduled for thursday to hear the legations of 14 violations of the gag order this has been delayed at least from some legal experts that we've discussed with. >> why is this taking so long they were first a few and then...
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so we did still get some compelling testimony from the remainder of david pecker's testimony, as well as those two other witnesses. one thing that is clear from the wheat when it says that we heard from miss that there was this conspiracy he to get this caching kill scheme, the catch and kill scheme to affect the campaign, to effect the election. in terms of the last two witnesses, we got confirmation from the banker that yes. michael cohen did open up an account. it open a shell company in order to get payment to stormy daniels. that's as far as we got in terms of the longtime assistant, all we heard is that we got confirmation that donald trump did have the contact information for karen mcdougal, as well as stormy daniels, and that stormy daniels was the at trump plaza at least on one occasion, but nothing that really stood out that was so bombshell that will stand out too. jury documentary evidence that he produced sort of establishing the timeline and the importance of getting those payments done before the election that will be crucial, right? absolutely. the urgency. so we learn
so we did still get some compelling testimony from the remainder of david pecker's testimony, as well as those two other witnesses. one thing that is clear from the wheat when it says that we heard from miss that there was this conspiracy he to get this caching kill scheme, the catch and kill scheme to affect the campaign, to effect the election. in terms of the last two witnesses, we got confirmation from the banker that yes. michael cohen did open up an account. it open a shell company in...
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jeff sessions because david pecker, this national enquirer tabloid king, he got concerned at one point when he got a letter from the fec and he called michael cohen, then trump's personal attorney to voice concern about that. michael cohen told him not to worry because geoff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. did trump expect his ag to go easy on his friends i don't know. i don't know what he expected what was your experience? >> my experience was why the time i came in, he did not he did not push me to do one thing or another on these criminal cases. now we tweeted and mavi, his public views on things known, but he never talked to me about them directly, so we did not have you in his pocket. he would argue it's not a question of arguing. i did what i thought was right. >> and you never felt any direct pressure from him on what investigations the doj you did not directly pressure may as i say, he was out there tweeting and doing things that were embarrassing and made it hard for me to run the department that sounds like pressure wasn't pressure. it
jeff sessions because david pecker, this national enquirer tabloid king, he got concerned at one point when he got a letter from the fec and he called michael cohen, then trump's personal attorney to voice concern about that. michael cohen told him not to worry because geoff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. did trump expect his ag to go easy on his friends i don't know. i don't know what he expected what was your experience? >> my experience was why...
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they got david pecker to say michael cohen is prone to exaggeration. and so they're going to do that by the way, with a lot of other witnesses. if kellyanne conway takes the stand i bet she has negative things to say about michael cohen. maybe hope hicks two. and what you do as a defense lawyer, not my profession, ards, but i've seen enough good ones inaction when it comes down for closing go folks. their own witnesses, the first guy they put in front of you, david pecker, said that their star witness is prone to exaggeration if you find that he exactly related to this case is over. so that's a really smart and effective tactic like michael cohen can be restored as the star witness so easily because people forget or maybe don't forget that he pled guilty to the same scheme that trump is now being put on trial for and people generally as a defense lawyer do not plead guilty to things they didn't do. that plea is locked in. he took a three-year jail sentence for the acts that he claimed in open court when he entered his plea. i did this at the direction
they got david pecker to say michael cohen is prone to exaggeration. and so they're going to do that by the way, with a lot of other witnesses. if kellyanne conway takes the stand i bet she has negative things to say about michael cohen. maybe hope hicks two. and what you do as a defense lawyer, not my profession, ards, but i've seen enough good ones inaction when it comes down for closing go folks. their own witnesses, the first guy they put in front of you, david pecker, said that their star...
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so the last question asked of david pecker today was, does he believe trump does david pecker believes that donald trump cares about his family, right? there have been a lot of questions about why trump would do these things. was it to protect his family or as pecker said? was it for the campaign, but the last question, does trump care about his family? pecker replies, quote, of of course i do think that cares about his family. that surprised you very much so because trump thinks about trump and his family clearly throughout all this is almost been window the dressing just so it makes him look like he's a family guy, but his focus is always been what's best for me. >> that's why he picks the pupil who works with and that's why he's been doing when he just doing with the power play. so the family for politician, obviously it's unnecessary optic to have but his feeling towards them. no, they're just tools for him to advance his own cause and that moment surprised you mean bernardo at the end of the testimony of david pecker and i guess it's in a sense, it's hard to put it together hi the
so the last question asked of david pecker today was, does he believe trump does david pecker believes that donald trump cares about his family, right? there have been a lot of questions about why trump would do these things. was it to protect his family or as pecker said? was it for the campaign, but the last question, does trump care about his family? pecker replies, quote, of of course i do think that cares about his family. that surprised you very much so because trump thinks about trump...
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on cross-examination of david pecker today? >> the core of his he's a vehicle by the prosecution to set the stage and just talk about this august 2015 meeting in which this catch and kill conspiracy as the prosecution has laid it out, began where he met with donald trump and michael cohen. so they were trying to go back to that meeting and suggests that it was just like businesses usual, it was standard operating procedure for the national enquirer. so aiml beauvais want to trump's defense lawyers had asked pecker on the stan i want you i want to stick with the august 2015 trump tower meeting. pecker says yes, beauvais says, at that meeting, the concept of catch-and-kill was not discussed, correct? pecker said that's correct but they asked and then there was no discussion of a financial dimension to any agreement at that meeting, correct? pecker said, yes, that's correct. so trying to say that there was no blatant conversation about a catch and kill and that i'm going to buy the deals now on redirect with the prosecution, they
on cross-examination of david pecker today? >> the core of his he's a vehicle by the prosecution to set the stage and just talk about this august 2015 meeting in which this catch and kill conspiracy as the prosecution has laid it out, began where he met with donald trump and michael cohen. so they were trying to go back to that meeting and suggests that it was just like businesses usual, it was standard operating procedure for the national enquirer. so aiml beauvais want to trump's...
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it had david pecker who wrapped up more than ten hours or testimony over a period of four days, he was as also trump's former longtime assistant, rhona graff, who was only on the stand for what, a half an hour, then michael cohen's former banker, gary farro, who is likely to continue testifying this coming tuesday the prosecution wants jurist remember, pecker's testimony that his intention was to never publish karen mcdougal story of an alleged affair with trump from the transcript, he said, had you published a story about a playboy model having a year long sexual affair while he was married with a presidential candidate without that have sold magazines. see if think his answer. >> yes, that'd be like national enquirer gold. >> yes. >> going on to say and despite the fact that publishing that story would have helped your bottom line, you killed the story because it helped the candidate donald trump yes and then there was a rhona graff, trump's longtime gatekeeper over at the trump organization. >> her desk was at one point just outside of trump's office from the defensive standpoint, s
it had david pecker who wrapped up more than ten hours or testimony over a period of four days, he was as also trump's former longtime assistant, rhona graff, who was only on the stand for what, a half an hour, then michael cohen's former banker, gary farro, who is likely to continue testifying this coming tuesday the prosecution wants jurist remember, pecker's testimony that his intention was to never publish karen mcdougal story of an alleged affair with trump from the transcript, he said,...
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and also collaborates david pecker, right? go back to how we for sure everything is about repetition right? and primacy and recency. thinking about what are the your marks have things that a song and it gets in your ear a great sermon, a great speech. it's all about repetition. and so the more you hear it, the more it goes into the brain of the jurors that you believe it. so david pecker this episode is already and said, listen, i wasn't paying for this. i didn't want to do that. but he also wanted to have a shell company wanted to have i don't want a direct line between the trump organization in me. i ultimately rep. if his contract, all that stuff. now the jury is thinking, oh, wait, you know what i've heard this before. now it rings true to me. you know, what's another bit of repetition you're going to keep hearing and you heard today on that debt that i told you the words, porn star, and it is in the interest of the defense. >> keep reminding the jury about what the jobs are of these people, what they are doing and seeking
and also collaborates david pecker, right? go back to how we for sure everything is about repetition right? and primacy and recency. thinking about what are the your marks have things that a song and it gets in your ear a great sermon, a great speech. it's all about repetition. and so the more you hear it, the more it goes into the brain of the jurors that you believe it. so david pecker this episode is already and said, listen, i wasn't paying for this. i didn't want to do that. but he also...
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barry, i'm wondering, i'm a, you know, david pecker obviously. well, you worked with the enquirer for a long time. you had some involvement with that doorman's story. how do you what do you make of him as a witness? >> well, listen, i was there anderson for 17 years. i was actually the first editorial higher for david pecker back in 1999 it's certainly troubling to be to be watching this unfold in thinking back to the great years of breaking so many great stories, john edwards, tiger woods jesse jackson's paternity of a child i was i left the inquire after the doorman's story two months before the karen mcdougal story, before they got involved with that. and the last trump's story that i did work on was the doorman's story and david pecker was absolutely right. had that story turned out to be true, and he published it, it would have been a mega sale it might have sold millions of copies. >> did you know that he was going to kill it if it turned out, regardless of what it turned out. well, listen, i mean, i remember going back to 2010 when i knew
barry, i'm wondering, i'm a, you know, david pecker obviously. well, you worked with the enquirer for a long time. you had some involvement with that doorman's story. how do you what do you make of him as a witness? >> well, listen, i was there anderson for 17 years. i was actually the first editorial higher for david pecker back in 1999 it's certainly troubling to be to be watching this unfold in thinking back to the great years of breaking so many great stories, john edwards, tiger...
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pecker helped more. >> david pecker definitely helped the prosecution out because they laid out david pecker hur laid out the foundation. he gave us the background information, and he also changed the narrative. this is not just hush money case. we're talking about the purpose of this money. of killing di stories. what's that help this campaign? and you're hearing it from someone that i think was relatable to this jury. i think the jury's going to find him credible, find, and believable. so mendel, he was engaging in these catching kill schemes and when we go into a supermarket used to see the national enquirer be like, oh, my god. and now we know how that gets to be the front page of the paper. you got the information that this is exactly how it worked out when it came to donald trump and when it came to michael cohen. and this is something that i think the jury in plain terms, are able to digest and they don't know how to apply this information. but shortly after closing arguments and though extra read back to get more of his testimony, read back, there'll be able to put it all toge
pecker helped more. >> david pecker definitely helped the prosecution out because they laid out david pecker hur laid out the foundation. he gave us the background information, and he also changed the narrative. this is not just hush money case. we're talking about the purpose of this money. of killing di stories. what's that help this campaign? and you're hearing it from someone that i think was relatable to this jury. i think the jury's going to find him credible, find, and believable....
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i think the other thing is that david pecker really explained the insides of the scheme. in other words, he explained that why it is that the national enquirer was paying money for the doorman scheme. he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy daniels, but it had to be paid for by michael cohen. so i think that is a very important new detail that we heard that helped flesh out the scheme that we, the basics of which we knew about your book breaks down the very colorful cast of characters in this specific case, but not necessarily trump's assisted rhona graff and michael cohen's banker, gary farro. these lower profile voices set up the
i think the other thing is that david pecker really explained the insides of the scheme. in other words, he explained that why it is that the national enquirer was paying money for the doorman scheme. he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were...
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trump has not criticized david pecker at all. i want to ask you before you go, because yesterday we saw i made a major court ruling completely separate from the trump case also on a subject that you've broken a lot of stories about and you think it could ultimately manner for trump the new york court of appeals overturned harvey weinstein's 2020 eviction for sex crimes basically, the court said that the lower court made a mistake by allowing women to testify about allegations of sexual assault that we're separate from the three for which he was actually charged in that case, you are at the forefront of investigating, reporting a multitude of allegations against weinstein. you say this ruling could come back to haunt trump's judge juan merchan in trump's trial, explain well, it illuminates a shared legal issue that is at the heart of both of these cases of course, for activists and for survivors of harvey weinstein's alleged crimes it's an anguished moment, to hear that one of his conviction was overturned on essentially a questio
trump has not criticized david pecker at all. i want to ask you before you go, because yesterday we saw i made a major court ruling completely separate from the trump case also on a subject that you've broken a lot of stories about and you think it could ultimately manner for trump the new york court of appeals overturned harvey weinstein's 2020 eviction for sex crimes basically, the court said that the lower court made a mistake by allowing women to testify about allegations of sexual assault...
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she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david pecker had an election attorney look at this. this deal was going on. >> i think right before the 2016 election as well. yeah. well, it the implication would be that there was no actual election law violation as a result of these types of deals. right. so he has a lawyer ticket over. apparently the lawyer blessed it. right. and the deal with stormy daniels is strictly shuffle actually very, very similar, right? so that's sort of the implication. i don't think it actually is that potent of an observation. i don't i doubt we're going to hear from that lawyer in the course of this trial, which would be necessary to actually make that useful. >> let's let's go to our attorneys outside the room right now. i'll start with bill brennan. what's your what's your big takeaway from today if anything or if you want to look at the week in general, if if any gloves were laid on mr. trump or not? >> jake, i really don't think so. i heard on kush layout a scenario and certainly he could be correct with regard to actions taken in furtherance of a
she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david pecker had an election attorney look at this. this deal was going on. >> i think right before the 2016 election as well. yeah. well, it the implication would be that there was no actual election law violation as a result of these types of deals. right. so he has a lawyer ticket over. apparently the lawyer blessed it. right. and the deal with stormy daniels is strictly shuffle actually very, very similar, right? so that's sort of the...
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about david pecker is testimony about here comes the defendant himself watching, walking up to the to the cameras it is friday afternoon, 4:30 p.m. let's listen in thank you very much. this is eight days that we've all sitting in this courthouse this is biden indictment. it's an order to try and win an election. political opponent nothing like this has ever happened eight days you know. >> the economy is falling apart down. now you saying it very little growth, it's going to get worse. oil prices are going up. >> you have the college campuses all over, glows our country is going to hell. >> and we sit here day after, day after day, which is their plan. let's they think they might be able to eat, got an election. but i as the bulk numbers are very good for us, i just want to say that i've invited biden to debate a can do it anytime you want, including tonight. ready? do we find it up to the courthouse and he has tied up in the distillation hoping that through washington it's a well related attack on a political opponent. >> but here, i'm ready, willing, and able, and to be once i'll bu
about david pecker is testimony about here comes the defendant himself watching, walking up to the to the cameras it is friday afternoon, 4:30 p.m. let's listen in thank you very much. this is eight days that we've all sitting in this courthouse this is biden indictment. it's an order to try and win an election. political opponent nothing like this has ever happened eight days you know. >> the economy is falling apart down. now you saying it very little growth, it's going to get worse....
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he also tried to catch david pecker in some inconsistencies in here his testimony, david pecker has been cooperating with prosecutors, the federal prosecutors and the district attorney's office for several years now. and so they were focusing on remember, the testimony about a january 2017 meeting at trump tower that david pecker walked into all donald trump was finishing up a meeting with some of with the f then cia director james comey and others and during this meeting is when david pecker testified that there was that he had a conversation so what donald trump donald trump thanked him for taking care of the doorman's story in the karen mcdougal story so donald trump's attorneys pressed him on notes from previous interview had given with investigators. and in that interview notes he said, according to the fbi's nodes, that david pecker told them that donald trump did not express any gratitude david pecker dug in on that today saying that the fbi knows were wrong and that his testimony over the past few days is that correct accurate testimony? so a lot of back and forth over different
he also tried to catch david pecker in some inconsistencies in here his testimony, david pecker has been cooperating with prosecutors, the federal prosecutors and the district attorney's office for several years now. and so they were focusing on remember, the testimony about a january 2017 meeting at trump tower that david pecker walked into all donald trump was finishing up a meeting with some of with the f then cia director james comey and others and during this meeting is when david pecker...
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david pecker. we'll be right back how would really happened sunday at nine on cnn. >> you know, when i take the bike out like this, all my stress is just melt away. >> i hear that is bad. boy can fix anything yeah. >> tough day at work, nice cruises sorts. >> you write out when i'm writing, i'm not even thinking about my painful cavity he shouldn't ignore it. and every time i get stressed about having to pay my bills hop. on the bike, man, i'll come on. >> you got to pay your bills. >> you don't have to worry about anything when you're protected by america's number one motorcycle insurer? >> well, you definitely do those things aren't related so that is a vibrating pain at morgan stanley old-school hard work meets ball new thinking to help you see untapped possibilities and relax leslie, work with you to make them real okay. yeah, we got orders coming in, starting a business is never easy. a star near eight months pregnant that's a different story. sorry. >> i couldn't slow down. we were starting a
david pecker. we'll be right back how would really happened sunday at nine on cnn. >> you know, when i take the bike out like this, all my stress is just melt away. >> i hear that is bad. boy can fix anything yeah. >> tough day at work, nice cruises sorts. >> you write out when i'm writing, i'm not even thinking about my painful cavity he shouldn't ignore it. and every time i get stressed about having to pay my bills hop. on the bike, man, i'll come on. >> you got...
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today. >> so david pecker will be back on the stand. he will be continuing with cross-examinati on. you are expecting that the prosecution to redirect after that, correct absolutely. >> yeah. of course. they get that option before we even maybe see who the next witness is redirected fact, it's very unclear, actually it david pecker will finish today. i mean, it is a full court today, so it's very likely he will, but we don't really quite know the timing just yet but we are waiting to see, like you said, sarah, who is the next witness, is it someone who deals with the accounting inside ami or within the trump organization or is it michael cohen, another quite arguably the star witness for the prosecution so we'll have to wait and see. of course, we don't know because they are not giving away that witness lists or rather the order of that witness list. this ahead of time because of the fear that donald trump will post about them on social media and such. so we'll standby all right. >> brand jin grass standing by for court to resume. appre
today. >> so david pecker will be back on the stand. he will be continuing with cross-examinati on. you are expecting that the prosecution to redirect after that, correct absolutely. >> yeah. of course. they get that option before we even maybe see who the next witness is redirected fact, it's very unclear, actually it david pecker will finish today. i mean, it is a full court today, so it's very likely he will, but we don't really quite know the timing just yet but we are waiting...
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are unlawful david pecker says, yes. steinglass says, did either you or ami ever report to the federal election commission that ami had made a donation to of care, a payment to karen mcdougal. pecker says, we did not sign. glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that. >> was the meat and bones of the prosecution's case in terms the idea that this was all tied to the campaign, that this wasn't a personal thing that wasn't what rudy giuliani is to talk about it. oh, was just disparate as family the embarrassment. >> no the entire criminal congruent between ami and donald trump thr
are unlawful david pecker says, yes. steinglass says, did either you or ami ever report to the federal election commission that ami had made a donation to of care, a payment to karen mcdougal. pecker says, we did not sign. glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we...
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. >> the former tabloid publisher david pecker, back on the stand yesterday, describing to jurors how he paid a former playboy playmate to keep her quiet about an alleged affair with trump and how his decision not to pay for stormy daniels story led to michael cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after court wrapped up yesterday, trump seemed to walk back his vow to testify in his hush money trial well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. >> today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal scholars and experts this saying what kind of a cases is there is no case joining me now to break all this down, cnn legal analyst, joey jackson, joe good morning. >> i always wonderful to have you with us. thanks for kicking us off today. >> let's start with the oral arguments that we saw before the supreme court yesterday. >> what stood out to yo
. >> the former tabloid publisher david pecker, back on the stand yesterday, describing to jurors how he paid a former playboy playmate to keep her quiet about an alleged affair with trump and how his decision not to pay for stormy daniels story led to michael cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after...
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david pecker says yes. and in fact that another place david becker says, the first time he heard the phrase catch and kill was from investigators when they were asking him about this, they say before this investigation started, you had not heard the phrase catch and kill david pecker says, that's correct. >> i thought that was a very skillful cross-examining and a good read write and even even better you should have taken that law school but anyway but isn't the answer. so what ultimately you know, he he covered up for other celebrities. they weren't running for president. he didn't pay $150,000.01 hover over an array. >> arnold schwarzenegger he ran for governor at some point, but we don't know when or what he did for arnold schwarzenegger. >> this was so different from all those other search. >> i'm not saying you're wrong from what i was told by people in the courtroom today, it was very similar what he did for arnold schwarzenegger. in fact, there was a lot of examination today on, on his schwarzenegger
david pecker says yes. and in fact that another place david becker says, the first time he heard the phrase catch and kill was from investigators when they were asking him about this, they say before this investigation started, you had not heard the phrase catch and kill david pecker says, that's correct. >> i thought that was a very skillful cross-examining and a good read write and even even better you should have taken that law school but anyway but isn't the answer. so what ultimately...
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we have seen people walking down that and to know who david pecker is now and what donald trump is saying right there which is essentially, how is karen doing, is she going to shut up. >> later in the trial we will see checks that donald trump signed, according to the prosecution, to pay michael cole went back for the money he gave -- >> level photo in black and white and you feel it is historic and people talking about a hush money deal. >> and these checks were signed in the oval office while he was president. >> more of what we are learning from the courtroom. transcripts. and the definition of the oral argument and immunity, in a case they said we are writing a rule for the ages. her uncle's unhappy. i'm sensing an underlying issue. it's t-mobile. it started when we tried to get him under a new plan. but they they unexpectedly unraveled their “price lock” guarantee. which has made him, a bit... unruly. you called yourself the “un-carrier”. you sing about “price lock” on those commercials. “the price lock, the price lock...” so, if you could change the price, change the
we have seen people walking down that and to know who david pecker is now and what donald trump is saying right there which is essentially, how is karen doing, is she going to shut up. >> later in the trial we will see checks that donald trump signed, according to the prosecution, to pay michael cole went back for the money he gave -- >> level photo in black and white and you feel it is historic and people talking about a hush money deal. >> and these checks were signed in the...
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pecker. he described his role as suppressing the storieies and te affairs would donald trump. this photo shows pecker and the former president walking past the white house rose garden. the president asking him at that moment according to him, how is karen doing and he said he replied she is doing well, she is quiet, everything is going well. in another conversation he said he referred to dougal as our girl. he also suggested trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels. we will bring you excerpts from our coverage tonight. >> the supreme court oral arguments and the conservatives appeared to embrace some form of criminal immunity. the liberal minority by contra
pecker. he described his role as suppressing the storieies and te affairs would donald trump. this photo shows pecker and the former president walking past the white house rose garden. the president asking him at that moment according to him, how is karen doing and he said he replied she is doing well, she is quiet, everything is going well. in another conversation he said he referred to dougal as our girl. he also suggested trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy...
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david pecker says, when mr. trump called me, he said to me the same. he asked me if i saw the stormy daniels interview with anderson cooper. i said, yes, i did. he said that we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name or do anything like this in each time she breaches the agreement, it's $1 million penalty. and based on the interview with anderson cooper, stormy daniels, ols, donald trump, donald trump talking about himself 24 million josh steinglass says, that's what donald trump told you. pecker. that's what he told me i'm jeff. >> you recently interviewed stormy daniels. does she there is some money. she'll well, it's a desperate problem for stormy daniels when she was represented by michael avenatti of blessed memory suu donald trump on her behalf for defamation. that case was not only thrown out of court, but the judge in california awarded attorney's fees to donald trump because the judge said the case was frivolous those were assessed against the client. stormy daniels, not against the lawyer. that debt which has bee
david pecker says, when mr. trump called me, he said to me the same. he asked me if i saw the stormy daniels interview with anderson cooper. i said, yes, i did. he said that we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name or do anything like this in each time she breaches the agreement, it's $1 million penalty. and based on the interview with anderson cooper, stormy daniels, ols, donald trump, donald trump talking about himself 24 million josh steinglass says, that's...
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what was it about david pecker's testimony? >> you think? it's making him think if it's even necessary last week, you said he would testify. >> so i think that he he's he will throw whatever out whatever he wants to throw out there. right. >> don't i wouldn't read too much into it one day he's going to say he's testified and one de is got because he needs to defend himself the next day is going to say this case is bs and i don't need to testify because it's garbage. so you're going to hear that throughout the trial as especially as he absorbs the information day in and day out. >> i just i don't think you can give any any logical credence to the what he says about whether he testifies are not because i don't think i think at the end of the de is lawyers are gonna adamantly be against him testifying because there's a whole lot of stuff that's going to come out in the judge is going to allow it and he doesn't they're not going to want that in the public domain. standby. everyone, that very point figure out what the judge will actually limit te
what was it about david pecker's testimony? >> you think? it's making him think if it's even necessary last week, you said he would testify. >> so i think that he he's he will throw whatever out whatever he wants to throw out there. right. >> don't i wouldn't read too much into it one day he's going to say he's testified and one de is got because he needs to defend himself the next day is going to say this case is bs and i don't need to testify because it's garbage. so you're...
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they're going to attack the credibility of david pecker. the idea that he was that he was trying to avoid liability himself here by coming in and testifying. they're going to use all of those things. but really, when you go back to new york statue that they're relying on and they, they telegraph that nowhere in that statute doesn't reference campaign finance, right? >> and they're using, they're trying to bolster this argument that the federal election law prohibits it, and that states new york state law, how somehow applies to that. >> so you're going through two levels. >> and now that that is going to be what makes that a felony, that's a long way to go to get to get to that felony charge. and there's a whole lot more that needs to be shown in order to make the show that proof. because one foreign presence was never charged, the campaign never paid a fine. and while ami paid and agreed to that and michael cohen was charged and pled guilty. they're not allowed to tie michael cohen's guilty plea to trump for the drugs is the judge's origin
they're going to attack the credibility of david pecker. the idea that he was that he was trying to avoid liability himself here by coming in and testifying. they're going to use all of those things. but really, when you go back to new york statue that they're relying on and they, they telegraph that nowhere in that statute doesn't reference campaign finance, right? >> and they're using, they're trying to bolster this argument that the federal election law prohibits it, and that states...
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but david pecker walks in and he says that donald trump tells a joke, hey, this is david pecker. he's the chairman of the national enquirer, and he probably knows more than all of you in here. what got the laugh was then pecker said the other gentlemen, other and they didn't find it funny that nobody but trump's, but trump from smiled and the jurors and the court, those are in the court and the courtroom, how to laugh as well. so it was a funny moment. it was really the only time today that donald trump actually reacted to the testimony. i think we've seen throughout pecker's testimony, he really has tried not to react. >> he has been very controlled if he's not allegedly nodding off. >> yes. >> that's what that's what here. but i'll also say what came out today, which was important is not just that this was done allegedly for other people, but that there was a relationship with the enquirer, david pecker is about far back as 1990 h's. we'll call it fixing these stories far before for donald trump was the political icon. so there's, there's a history here. but to be clear, just b
but david pecker walks in and he says that donald trump tells a joke, hey, this is david pecker. he's the chairman of the national enquirer, and he probably knows more than all of you in here. what got the laugh was then pecker said the other gentlemen, other and they didn't find it funny that nobody but trump's, but trump from smiled and the jurors and the court, those are in the court and the courtroom, how to laugh as well. so it was a funny moment. it was really the only time today that...
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and david pecker. so we'll see if we could see a second witness begin to take the stand even tomorrow afternoon, even better. >> one of the questions one of the first questions they asked for comments was so ami isn't a charity organization, is you're making a profit off of all of this really making him seem like this is about greed and that's all to get the jury thinking that they don't like this person. >> yeah. important point. it was interesting. i thought that kaitlyn that david pecker testified about a call with two top white house staffers at the time who picks and sarah huckabee sanders would that reveal as someone who covered the white house and remembers sarah sanders being at the white house briefing room where obviously all three of us have sat at one point, she had to deny allegations about karen mcdougal citing conversations that she had with donald trump to hear that review still today that there was a call with the national enquirer tabloid king, hope hicks and sarah sanders while they
and david pecker. so we'll see if we could see a second witness begin to take the stand even tomorrow afternoon, even better. >> one of the questions one of the first questions they asked for comments was so ami isn't a charity organization, is you're making a profit off of all of this really making him seem like this is about greed and that's all to get the jury thinking that they don't like this person. >> yeah. important point. it was interesting. i thought that kaitlyn that...
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former tabloid magnate david pecker is expected to be back on the stand. trump's defense team will continue their cross-examination. we're also still waiting on the judge's decision for a potential punishment for trump for allegedly violating the gag order that has been issued, telling him to not bad mouth or even discuss jurors, witnesses, and others tune in tonight to get up to speed on what played out in the case today, it's a special ac30 60 in which aac anderson cooper will go through the major moments in the hush money cover-up. the trial. that's tonight at eight only here on cnn until tomorrow, you can follow me on facebook, instagram, threads x, formerly known as twitter, on the tiktok, i take tapper you can follow the show on twitter at the leads semen. if you ever miss an episode of lead, you can
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they're making the connection the david pecker and donald trump were friends david pecker, one point said, the defense attorneys are making the argument. yes. no, no, no, no. the prosecutor prosecutes because they wanted to say david pecker wouldn't be doing this to hurt donald trump. he liked it and he said at one point, i felt that donald trump was my mentor. he helped me throughout my career. i still consider them close even though we haven't spoken. i still consider him a friend. so trump's attorney or the defense attorney, emile bove, is asking you a series of questions since right now, if david pecker, the witness, about how prosecutors in fact prepared pecker to give, quote, consistent testimony. >> every time he's testified, david chatterley and some very interesting testimony not long ago this afternoon, we're david pecker recalled a phone conversation. he had with trump's white house team at the time according to mr. packer, hope hicks, and sarah huckabee sanders sara was the communications director or the press secretary, and hope x was a special assistant to the president
they're making the connection the david pecker and donald trump were friends david pecker, one point said, the defense attorneys are making the argument. yes. no, no, no, no. the prosecutor prosecutes because they wanted to say david pecker wouldn't be doing this to hurt donald trump. he liked it and he said at one point, i felt that donald trump was my mentor. he helped me throughout my career. i still consider them close even though we haven't spoken. i still consider him a friend. so trump's...
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david pecker said, yes, it was later david pecker testified, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign prosecutors are going to say, look, the motive was campaign donald trump's team is going to say well, there was also a personal motive here for donald trump's. so look for that on cross now eventually they enter into a contract with karen mcdougal, ami, david pecker enters into a contract that donald trump himself was not part of. and david pecker said the purpose of that agreement was to disguise the true nature of the contract. they didn't want the public learning about karen mcdougal's allegations. now that brings us to sort of between chapter two and chapter three. the big thing that happens is the access hollywood tape came out and the jury's not seeing that tape, but they've learned about it. this is where donald trump gets caught on camera talking about, you can grab them by the blank, et cetera. we remember that tape and pecker said, when that takes it came out, it was very embarrassing, very damaging. again, to the campaign importan
david pecker said, yes, it was later david pecker testified, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign prosecutors are going to say, look, the motive was campaign donald trump's team is going to say well, there was also a personal motive here for donald trump's. so look for that on cross now eventually they enter into a contract with karen mcdougal, ami, david pecker enters into a contract that donald trump himself was not part of. and david pecker...
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trump as he is listening to david pecker's testimony. and i have seen paula reid and kasie hunt here with me as you're waiting for this monumental day, just kinda, i mean, we talk about split-screen a lot, but this is really remarkable to see donald trump in a manhattan courthouse and also his attorneys, his other attorneys going into the supreme court and paula, i just a reminder the question that the justices had before that, which is whether and if so, to what extent does a former president enjoy? we presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office. >> it is so wild to me, caitlin, that we are here on this question because in talking to trump's lawyers throughout the special counsel investigation, they would always say this is our strongest argument, but we're going to keep making it that what he did in the wake of the 2020 election to try to subvert the outcome that we're going to make. the argument that those were official acts because not only do we or client a
trump as he is listening to david pecker's testimony. and i have seen paula reid and kasie hunt here with me as you're waiting for this monumental day, just kinda, i mean, we talk about split-screen a lot, but this is really remarkable to see donald trump in a manhattan courthouse and also his attorneys, his other attorneys going into the supreme court and paula, i just a reminder the question that the justices had before that, which is whether and if so, to what extent does a former president...
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former national enquirer publisher, david pecker, on the stand. one court begins left us with a cliffhanger just beginning to talk about karen mcdougal, the playboy play he squashed the story, the allegation she had that she had a relationship with donald trump in of course, as soon as core begins this morning, we could learn the judge's ruling in the gag order against donald trump, whether trump has violated it. cnn's kristen holmes, outside the court, within an hour things can get very interesting, kristen yeah, that's right. >> and actually donald trump did a campaign stop earlier this morning. he stopped by construction site where he's talked to construction workers as well as union members. and i asked him particularly about david pecker. when was last time he spoke to a beggar. remember the two of them used to be very close. he wouldn't answer that question. i asked what he thought of the testimony so far all he would say is that he believed that pecker was a good guy, that he's been nice to him. and then essentially walked away after answer
former national enquirer publisher, david pecker, on the stand. one court begins left us with a cliffhanger just beginning to talk about karen mcdougal, the playboy play he squashed the story, the allegation she had that she had a relationship with donald trump in of course, as soon as core begins this morning, we could learn the judge's ruling in the gag order against donald trump, whether trump has violated it. cnn's kristen holmes, outside the court, within an hour things can get very...
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i raised david pecker, asieh, what he thought at the testimony asked the last time talked to david pecker, you just said that pecker was a nice guy. ladies and please, with the testimony, but he also talked about those critical immunity arguments. take a listen. >> we have a big case today. this the judges and on me to go. we have a big case in the supreme court or presidential immunity. a president he stab immunity if you don't have a unit, you just have a ceremonial president he also said that the supreme court justices were smart at one point, said, sounded like he was saying that they we're going to do the right thing or he believed that they would do the right thing. >> but again all of this, he's making his campaign stop because of the fact that he is in court now four days a week and they are trying to figure out ways to keep them engaged with voters. they believe that this is very important for him and they'd become resigned to the fact that this is what the next several weeks is going to look like. so today, they did this pre courts stop meeting with working class voters kristen.
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we know that today x tabloid publisher david pecker returns to the stand. the judge has yet to rule on whether trump violated the gag order in that case. we can see that decision come down at any time. in the meantime, trump's former fixer, michael cohen he said that he will stop commenting about the president. he wrote quote, despite not being, despite not being the gagged defendant out of respect for judge merchan and the prosecutors, i will cease posting anything about donald on my x formerly twitter account or on the mea culpa podcast until after my trial testimony. see you all in a month or more. tara pulmonary. what's going on here with michael cohen decided i'm not going to say anything anymore to somebody like advise him to do that is that he's been running his mouth for a long time, right. and the big part of this case is based on michael cohen's credibility, right? and so the more he speaks and the more he seems to have a grudge against trump. it makes it a harder case for the prosecutors because the defendants are going to spend all their time te
we know that today x tabloid publisher david pecker returns to the stand. the judge has yet to rule on whether trump violated the gag order in that case. we can see that decision come down at any time. in the meantime, trump's former fixer, michael cohen he said that he will stop commenting about the president. he wrote quote, despite not being, despite not being the gagged defendant out of respect for judge merchan and the prosecutors, i will cease posting anything about donald on my x...
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pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, going to be back up there. they have been kind of building in something have a crescendo to the point of the stormy daniel story, which we haven't really dug into yet. are you expecting that today? >> what are you looking for yeah. >> i think that's it. i think i'm looking for a couple of things. certainly we know just in terms of resetting that pecker being a person who was involved with the national enquirer, sets the stage for this entire scheme. what scheme? the catch and kill, we're going to get these stories. we're going to pay for them and we're going to kill them, suppress them from public view certainly, the prosecution it has been laying out the as they call it, the prosecutor's this conspiracy and cover up not the conspiracy is tried, but it notes this meeting in 2015 where they will go on to boost trump's electoral prospects by really denigrating his opponents and taking things belonging to trump out of the public domain now, in terms of the testimonies we look at them. they're right, mr. pecker, wh
pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, going to be back up there. they have been kind of building in something have a crescendo to the point of the stormy daniel story, which we haven't really dug into yet. are you expecting that today? >> what are you looking for yeah. >> i think that's it. i think i'm looking for a couple of things. certainly we know just in terms of resetting that pecker being a person who was involved with the national enquirer, sets the stage...
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we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in witness dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more of tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 20 when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen, and david pecker about being the eyes and the ears of the campaign and how they were going to find the stories that were negative about trump are salacious about trump, bury them and promote stories that were positive ahead of that campaign. they went into detail about that trump tower doorman who had a story about a woman who claimed that she fathered a child or he fathered a child of her for us and then before court wrapped up and david pecker was done for the day they got into the details of but another playboy playmate, karen mcdougal, who of course alleged af
we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in witness dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more of tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 20 when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen, and david pecker about being the...
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for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate in business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulated this conspiracy to illegally or an awfully allegedly is what the prosecution is going to say interfere with the election and it was all about the election at that point. and we know because one of the things he said was with the doorman that was not we were not able to confirm that story. in fact, we debunked it, but had it been real, we would have released it after the election. it was very clear that what they were doing was about the election and at that point when you're paying, wasn't to protect melania trump. it was about the right if it was, then he wouldn't have released it after the election. he was doing these catch and kills fine. but when it was about the election, those when you're paying people, it's an in-kind donation and you have to declare that at a dangerous point, there and asked him whether y
for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate in business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulated this conspiracy to illegally or an awfully allegedly is what the prosecution is going to say interfere with the election and it was all about the election at that point. and we know because one of the things he said was with the doorman that was not we were not able to...
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and then hopefully they will maybe get into get from david pecker more information about why this was unique as opposed to something that was normal and as we talk about trump's case and the effort to help his campaign as opposed to just do and checkbook media that there's this had a different level of involvement a different purpose. that purpose being to interfere remember the election on curious. >> what do you think the trump legal defense team is going to try to do to help their client with david pecker. i mean, i think honestly their best defense on this front is i mean, they will do anything they can to diminish trump's personal involvement, to try to cross to try to limit packers testimony. but the fact of the matter is the catch and kill scheme is not the core criminal conduct. that's at issue here. the court cannot conduct is everything that follows it concerning payment to stormy daniels and in particular, how those payments were booked internally on trump's books and why, how and why those payments were booked so i expect the todd blanche and trump's lawyers, to the extent
and then hopefully they will maybe get into get from david pecker more information about why this was unique as opposed to something that was normal and as we talk about trump's case and the effort to help his campaign as opposed to just do and checkbook media that there's this had a different level of involvement a different purpose. that purpose being to interfere remember the election on curious. >> what do you think the trump legal defense team is going to try to do to help their...