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maybe that's a lesson trump learned about david pecker. you don't want to create enemies when you don't have to. pecker didn't want to be there, but he's under a nonprosecution agreement, an immunity deal, and on subpoena where he had to testify. perhaps that's part of it, too. >> tara, your take on trump's comments on pecker. the psychology of donald trump trying to assess and analyze the kind of information david pecker can reveal about him speaks to what david pecker knows about donald trump. >> absolutely. this is a multi-decade relationship. this is the tip of the iceberg. trump has had his hands in all kinds of salacious things over the years, and david pecker controlled a lot of that cremation flow. so it's a transactional relationship. donald trump may be a lot of things, but he's not stupid when it comes to knowing where his bread is buttered, or making sure who doesn't get on his backside, when he can control it. the michael relationship, with michael cohen, he did a lot of dirty work for trump, but then michael has seen the ligh
maybe that's a lesson trump learned about david pecker. you don't want to create enemies when you don't have to. pecker didn't want to be there, but he's under a nonprosecution agreement, an immunity deal, and on subpoena where he had to testify. perhaps that's part of it, too. >> tara, your take on trump's comments on pecker. the psychology of donald trump trying to assess and analyze the kind of information david pecker can reveal about him speaks to what david pecker knows about donald...
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former national inquirer publisher, david pecker, was the first to take the stand. testifying that he suppressed story about trump's scandals and spread lies about his rivals in the 2016 race. also known as fake news. pecker said he served as the " eyes and ears for the campaign at trump's on request. " then, rhona graff testified under subpoena, saying she remembered seeing stormy daniels in the trump tower lobby, and adding her contact info to the trump organization database. when court reconvenes, tuesday morning, there will be more testimony from the banker, who helped michael cohen pay off stormy daniels. now, here's some food for thought. as we hurtle into week two of trump's hush money election interference trial. if the supreme court rules as expected in the immunity case the case brought by district attorney alvin bragg could be trump's first and last criminal trial before the election. joining me now from a former federal prosecutor, legal affairs columnist for politico magazine. msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst, anthony coley, director of the justi
former national inquirer publisher, david pecker, was the first to take the stand. testifying that he suppressed story about trump's scandals and spread lies about his rivals in the 2016 race. also known as fake news. pecker said he served as the " eyes and ears for the campaign at trump's on request. " then, rhona graff testified under subpoena, saying she remembered seeing stormy daniels in the trump tower lobby, and adding her contact info to the trump organization database. when...
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they tried with his -- the fact that david pecker himself entered into a non pros. cushion agreement, but that doesn't mean that he's lying on the stand. it seems to be very credible. >> now, pecker also detailed making a payout to former playmate karen mcdougal to silence her account of an alleged affair with trump. yesterday trump's longtime assistant said that information for both mcdougal and stormy daniels were in trump's contact list, and pecker testified that he spoke with former white house staffer, hope hicks and sarah sanders, about an extension of mcdougal's hush money contract on a call with the white house. what do you think the jury took from all of that? >> well, i think that the jury can very easily take the fact that this was an organized scheme. this wasn't just the national enquirer, for example, acting on its own, buying stories that they just didn't want published in competitive -- in competitor's news publications, they were doing this for the purpose, for donald trump, to give him a benefit, a presidential benefit, a campaign benefit that. is
they tried with his -- the fact that david pecker himself entered into a non pros. cushion agreement, but that doesn't mean that he's lying on the stand. it seems to be very credible. >> now, pecker also detailed making a payout to former playmate karen mcdougal to silence her account of an alleged affair with trump. yesterday trump's longtime assistant said that information for both mcdougal and stormy daniels were in trump's contact list, and pecker testified that he spoke with former...
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david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealing with the star witness michael cohen to buy in and bury stories, in order to protect president donald 's campaign. they allege an agreement to then hide financial footprints. they told the jury this will also be corroborated with evidence in , the defendant's own words, showing an illegal conspiracy. he said there is not an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more colloquial meaning if you have ever watched a mafia movie. they are saying they conspired together. they also attack the whole conspiracy theory, that he attacked through unlawful means. it would be needed to supersize this misdemeanor of financial fraud into a felony case. the trough defense has kind of said, well, maybe the da is being alarmist about what amounts to, however dirty, politics as usual. that is how they argue it. some proclaim there is nothing wrong with trying to influence and to collection. it is called democracy. the da h
david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealing with the star witness michael cohen to buy in and bury stories, in order to protect president donald 's campaign. they allege an agreement to then hide financial footprints. they told the jury this will also be corroborated with evidence in , the defendant's own words, showing an illegal conspiracy. he said there is not an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more...
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david pecker did that. and on behalf of david pecker, he actually provided fodder for the prosecution to bolster everything he said a. once you establish that, it is easy for her to step in and say, i kept the rolodex and knew about some of the documents and the business records and for them to say this has been involved with these organizations. but i've been set up for mr. cohen that when he takes the stand he's only confirming. >> this comes after three days of testimony and you talk about david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer. will the hoping to establish and how engaged was the jury while listening to it? >> i was in the overflow room but the david pecker testimony was exactly what the prosecutors want to because he gave the foundation that everything that trump did -- everything that david pecker did after august 2015 when trump, michael cohen, and david pecker met and huddled and came up with a catch and kill scheme. all of this was in furtherance of the trump campaign and to he
david pecker did that. and on behalf of david pecker, he actually provided fodder for the prosecution to bolster everything he said a. once you establish that, it is easy for her to step in and say, i kept the rolodex and knew about some of the documents and the business records and for them to say this has been involved with these organizations. but i've been set up for mr. cohen that when he takes the stand he's only confirming. >> this comes after three days of testimony and you talk...
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what you heard from david pecker was about that agreement, that donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen had to unlawfully influence the election. and they talked about and testified about this 2016 meeting where they anticipated that women may come forward and have damaging stories about trump that could hurt the campaign. david pecker testified that he was going to be the eyes and ears of this campaign, and that he was going to alert michael cohen and the campaign about anything that would be damaging so, to make sure those stories didn't see the light of day. however, what is really significant, for the conversations pecker testified, dealing directly with donald trump. both before the election and after the election. before the election, testified about talking to him about the story, trying to kill the story with karen mcdougal. after the election, he testified about conversations where donald trump thanked him for making sure those damaging stories did not see the light of day. the defense tried to act as though this was all business as usual, but that really backfired, becau
what you heard from david pecker was about that agreement, that donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen had to unlawfully influence the election. and they talked about and testified about this 2016 meeting where they anticipated that women may come forward and have damaging stories about trump that could hurt the campaign. david pecker testified that he was going to be the eyes and ears of this campaign, and that he was going to alert michael cohen and the campaign about anything that...
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by david pecker, by the paper, and in other words, they are not relying on them. also making it clear this is about the campaign, nothing else. >> so tim, pecker agreed the story about astar, and it was gold. it could have been taken to the bank. what is the significant of this ? and what is the extent of the sacrifice that pecker was making to help trump? >> he was making a big financial sacrifice, alex. it certainly would be better if it has a screaming headline about the extramarital affair. and rather than crimped that story. he agrees not to and directly benefiting the trump campaign. the significance of that, that is the underlying crime. and the reason for the falsification of the records. the government has to approve that these records were falsified for the underlying purpose for protecting the campaign. they were effectively campaign contributions. and invoices for legal services. so while the former president is not being charged for the affair, he is being charged for something that benefits his campaign and essentially hiding that. that is why the te
by david pecker, by the paper, and in other words, they are not relying on them. also making it clear this is about the campaign, nothing else. >> so tim, pecker agreed the story about astar, and it was gold. it could have been taken to the bank. what is the significant of this ? and what is the extent of the sacrifice that pecker was making to help trump? >> he was making a big financial sacrifice, alex. it certainly would be better if it has a screaming headline about the...
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david pecker . correct. court cannot be back in session until tuesday but the breakdown is happening right now. running me is joyce vance and hugo lowell. we were in new york at the same time for this title. david credibility. he was saying donald trump, he considered to be his mentor. yet, to his credit, even on cross examination by the defense attorney for donald trump, david pecker stood his ground. he held the line and said this was all to help influence the outcome by benefiting donald trump's campaign. >> "the national enquirer" wanted to protect this trump and this came through all through the testimony. it was extremely significant because trump was hoping or trumps lawyers were hoping to a certain extent they would be able to suggest that he was disgruntled, that they hadn't been friends for some time. they didn't have close connections anymore. but, with david pecker going on the stand and say i find as a mentor and i like his business deals and consider him a good guy as far as he was concerned, i
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david pecker, over the course of four days he testified about crucial 2015 meeting between himself, trump and trump's then personal lawyer michael cohen. prosecutors allege that it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. that strategy came to be known as catch and kill. now it may not seem like there are any similarities between trump's criminal trial in new york and the fake elector scheme but for one thing both involve the falsification of documents or records. on top of that both cases allege the former president worked with others in addition to a crime. 16 people in michigan were charged with felonies last year for their roles in the fake elector effort. six others in nevada have been similarly charged. in georgia last summer the fulton county district attorney pressed racketeering charges against trump and 18 others. that is a charge that is typically used to take down organized crime. four of those defendants have since reached plea agreements with prosecutors. fulton county is th
david pecker, over the course of four days he testified about crucial 2015 meeting between himself, trump and trump's then personal lawyer michael cohen. prosecutors allege that it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. that strategy came to be known as catch and kill. now it may not seem like there are any similarities between trump's criminal trial in new york and the fake elector scheme...
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over the course of four days, david pecker testified about a crucial meeting between himself, trump, and trumps the personal and fixer michael cohen. prosecutors allege it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help donald trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. the strategy came to be known as "catch and kill." catch a story and kill it. it may not seem like there are any similarities between trumps trial in new york and that the collectors scheme about, for one thing, both of them involve the falsification of documents and records. both cases alleged the former president worked with others ind furtherance of a crime. in addition to the 18 people charged in arizona this week, as i mentioned, 16 people in michigan were charged with felonies last year for their roles in the fake elector effort in that state. six others in nevada have been charged and in georgia last summer, the fulton county district attorney rest racketeering charges against trump and 18 others, a charge typically used to take down organized crime. four of th
over the course of four days, david pecker testified about a crucial meeting between himself, trump, and trumps the personal and fixer michael cohen. prosecutors allege it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help donald trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. the strategy came to be known as "catch and kill." catch a story and kill it. it may not seem like there are any similarities between trumps trial in new york and that...
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news gold for david pecker because that was his stock in trade. they were trying to portray that this was just more of that and in the opening statements, donald trump's lawyers actually said that they tried to -- trying to influence -- is democracy. that's what people try and do. what was different about this and what the government lawyers were showing is that during the election, the arrangements that were reach and karen google who is the playmate that donald trump had a relationship with, nine months or a year, these payments that went to karen make google and others were larger than usual. the national enquirer national -- have a limit of $10,000. these went well over that. in the case of karen mcdougal, they had a contract with her and that was according to david pecker solely to keep her story off the market but she did in signing that get other things with the agreement. she got, you know, she would have a column, she would get on the cover of a magazine. david pecker said that was all window dressing for the payment to keep her quiet but
news gold for david pecker because that was his stock in trade. they were trying to portray that this was just more of that and in the opening statements, donald trump's lawyers actually said that they tried to -- trying to influence -- is democracy. that's what people try and do. what was different about this and what the government lawyers were showing is that during the election, the arrangements that were reach and karen google who is the playmate that donald trump had a relationship with,...
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david pecker was defined at one point, saying "i've been truthful to the best of my recollection ." the tabloid mogul also undermined the idea that trump wanted to bury those stories about women to protect his family, a common refrain from the defense. instead, he said he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i do have to begin by wishing melania trump happy birthday. >> reporter: melania trump was notably absent at trial. >> court will not based on session monday so the trial resumes tuesday at 9:30. with that, let's bring in our leadoff panel, john allen, politics reporter for nbc. eugene scott, senior politics reporter fracks yes, and the former federal prosecutor and senior writer for political magazine. thank you for joining us. trump's former longtime executive assistant testified for half an hour. she was known as "the gatekeeper" and set a company directory and numbers for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. she also said the trump organization was paying her legal bills. why, what did the prosecution gain from her testimony? >> they introduced a small fact, which i
david pecker was defined at one point, saying "i've been truthful to the best of my recollection ." the tabloid mogul also undermined the idea that trump wanted to bury those stories about women to protect his family, a common refrain from the defense. instead, he said he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i do have to begin by wishing melania trump happy birthday. >> reporter: melania trump was notably absent at trial. >> court will not based on session...
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witness, david pecker, largely stood his ground despite trump's legal team attempting to undermine his testimony by claiming the deals to bury stories like karen mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which prosecutors say michael: used to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he authenticated bank records which prosecutors showed to jurors. that testimony will continue in trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. that testimony continues when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan announced a gag order hearing will take place thursday, to hear new arguments about all of the alleged violations that donald trump has committed this w
witness, david pecker, largely stood his ground despite trump's legal team attempting to undermine his testimony by claiming the deals to bury stories like karen mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which...
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it was david pecker who testified. and explained how this whole thing worked to buy and bury negative stories through the tabloids to boost the campaign. was that your purpose locking up the story about the play mate to influence the election? and he confirmed yes. pecker details how they worked with cohen. we will show you headlines that are for the most part false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one. i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured. right down to the doctored photo. however bad it looks they said it was not a trump campaign thing. it is just how they roll. they brought up arnold schwarzenegger and that deal. pecker said the agreement i had with arnold is i would advise him about stories out there. acquire them. buy them for a period of time. defense highlighting cohen didn't pay him back for the mcdougal story to get jurors to doubt if this was a trump campaign thing. i spoke to h
it was david pecker who testified. and explained how this whole thing worked to buy and bury negative stories through the tabloids to boost the campaign. was that your purpose locking up the story about the play mate to influence the election? and he confirmed yes. pecker details how they worked with cohen. we will show you headlines that are for the most part false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one. i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously...
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the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion, the best way to tell a story often is chronologically. but, i think that is what is happening here. i expect at some point, perhaps even next week, they are going to need to start to move into, okay, how are these records, how are these payments booked internally within the trump organization. maybe next week or the following week, at some point, the trial needs to get there. that is the meat and potatoes of the actual charges against trump. >> eugene, trump keeps complaining about the trial keeping him off the campaign trail and wednesday, when, you know, wednesday was his one day off from court this week, and he went golfing. obviously, he doesn't want to be in court but is it fair to say he doesn't seem to care that much about campaigning eithe
the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion, the best way to tell a story often is chronologically. but, i think that is what is happening here. i expect at some point, perhaps even next week, they are going to need to start to...
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let's go back to the idea of david pecker. the defense team, the trump team was trying to make this come across as standard. this catch and kill idea is standard, happens to a lot of people. and pecker was saying this was actually in furtherance of something more serious. this wasn't the typical catch a story and kill it. there are probably reasons why you would take on a story, pay somebody for it and kill it, but pecker said the unfinished part and this was in furtherance of what donald trump was trying to achieve. >> absolutely and that came across on redirect examination. what happened was the defense attorney has presented what one would call the casablanca defense. there is gambling. ami does this over and over again, that they by people stories. not unusual. in the prosecutor on redirect honed in on the differences. that there has never, even though they have, ami has quashed stories of celebrities and even political figures in the past, they have never been the eyes and ears of a presidential campaign. they have never
let's go back to the idea of david pecker. the defense team, the trump team was trying to make this come across as standard. this catch and kill idea is standard, happens to a lot of people. and pecker was saying this was actually in furtherance of something more serious. this wasn't the typical catch a story and kill it. there are probably reasons why you would take on a story, pay somebody for it and kill it, but pecker said the unfinished part and this was in furtherance of what donald trump...
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david pecker, donald trump. michael cohen is a staffer to use nicolle wallace's term. he is not a principal in this. you have the national enquirer and you have donald trump, they are making the decisions. that is important and he tells you how it began, how it was carried out and how it ended. he also gives you why it is a felony and why you should care. what i mean by why it is a felony, remember this would be a misdemeanor if it is not to conceal or further some other crime and he tells you it is election fraud. >> full on. >> up one side and down the other. so the only piece that is really missing is sort of the false business records. so the piece that you still need, obviously there are false business records, but you need to have knowledge that donald trump knew that would have to be part of the scheme. that shouldn't be that hard, because if you're trying to keep this secret and david pecker already said he wanted to keep it secret even within the national enquirer. why? because it is a crime. so you are not going to want to have a whole bunch of records thing
david pecker, donald trump. michael cohen is a staffer to use nicolle wallace's term. he is not a principal in this. you have the national enquirer and you have donald trump, they are making the decisions. that is important and he tells you how it began, how it was carried out and how it ended. he also gives you why it is a felony and why you should care. what i mean by why it is a felony, remember this would be a misdemeanor if it is not to conceal or further some other crime and he tells you...
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so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire karen mcdougal's lifetime rate ? david pecker responded, "yes, that is correct." "i called michael cohen, i said the agreement, the assignment deal is off. i'm not going forward. it is a bad idea. i want you to rip up the agreement. " in other words, david pecker had a brush with this in the past, campaign finance law and how it is located in a catch and kill scheme for a candidate, thought about them doing the same thing here, had a talk with his lawyer, decided receiving the money for the express purpose of paying off trum
so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire...
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today was the final day of the prosecutor's first witness, david pecker. trump's lawyers continued their cross-examination, focusing on the theme that the catch and kill agreement made between pecker, trump, and trump's former lawyer michael cohen was just standard operating procedure for pecker and "national enquirer." they suggested pecker's actions were based on business considerations and he would have done them anyway whether or not he had an agreement with trump. for instance, pecker admitted to trump's lawyer that the $30,000 payment to buy the rights for the former doorman's false story that trump fathered an illegitimate child could have led to millions of dollars in sales for the "national enquirer" if true. he asked and that is why you decided to pay mr. sajudin $30,000, correct? pecker answered, yes. bovee, because you could not have him taking his story to another publication if it was true, right? pecker, that's correct. bove, it would be too great a loss to ami to lose control of such a story if it were true, right? >> yes. they had yet to e
today was the final day of the prosecutor's first witness, david pecker. trump's lawyers continued their cross-examination, focusing on the theme that the catch and kill agreement made between pecker, trump, and trump's former lawyer michael cohen was just standard operating procedure for pecker and "national enquirer." they suggested pecker's actions were based on business considerations and he would have done them anyway whether or not he had an agreement with trump. for instance,...
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. >> david pecker, the ceo of america media inc. giving bombshell testimony. >> pecker tells him, quote, we committed campaign violation. he said he wasn't worried because, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. >> david pecker acknowledged that he did this catch and kill with karen mcdougall for the benefit of the trump campaign. >> the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions. >> senior vice president of the trump organization and donald trump's former long-time assistant described as the gatekeeper. his right hand. her lawyers are being paid for by donald trump. >> you heard that word, gatekeeper. the gatekeepers and supposed allies and friends are talking under oath. the da's getting details out of them to bolster the opening argument where the jury was told cases about a criminal conspiracy and a cover up. tabloid veteran david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealings with trump lawyer turned star witness michael cohen to buy and bury st
. >> david pecker, the ceo of america media inc. giving bombshell testimony. >> pecker tells him, quote, we committed campaign violation. he said he wasn't worried because, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. >> david pecker acknowledged that he did this catch and kill with karen mcdougall for the benefit of the trump campaign. >> the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions. >> senior...
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the answer from david pecker, quote, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so it was not published by any other news organization. pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend or to use as leverage with a celebrity, this was catch and kill in order to influence a presidential election. now with court adjourned for the weekend, it's all systems go as we head into next week with key testimony still ahead. this is where we start the hour with some of our most favorite reports and friends. two people inside the courtroom today, investigative reporter susan craig and former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general harry litman. lucky for us, andrew is still here as is lockland. sue, we start with you and your wonderful notebook. >> i have to say i think the most interesting part of today was the contination of that agreement that karen mcdougal had. donald trump's lawyers really tried to muddy the water on it. put some poison in the ear that karen mcdougal got someth
the answer from david pecker, quote, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so it was not published by any other news organization. pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend or to use as leverage with a celebrity, this was catch and kill in order to influence a presidential election. now with court adjourned for the weekend, it's all systems go as we head into next week with key testimony still ahead. this is where we start the hour with some of...
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david pecker and the national inquirerer. it seems like at some point we're going to get hope hicks whos was a member of the campaign and then the white house. and somebody who worked as a lawyer in the white house. what are you thinking? >> i think one thing i'm thinking is this is something we should actually celebrate in a way because it's our system working. what we're witnessing here is a court, which is the place that we go in our society to determine what is true, when it's contested, hearing evidence and weighing it under rules that are designed to protect everybody's rights. one of the things that has happened a lot in recent years in american politics is we have had a bit of anything goes in the truth in the court of public opinion. that's hard to pull off in the court of law. so to have this week a split screen in which in mand a former president is being treated like any other citizen in our society with all the protections afforded to them, having facts put out and a jury will decide his fate, at the same time wh
david pecker and the national inquirerer. it seems like at some point we're going to get hope hicks whos was a member of the campaign and then the white house. and somebody who worked as a lawyer in the white house. what are you thinking? >> i think one thing i'm thinking is this is something we should actually celebrate in a way because it's our system working. what we're witnessing here is a court, which is the place that we go in our society to determine what is true, when it's...
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former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and
former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard...
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again, the focus that david pecker is here to tell the story that, number one, they used david pecker and the "national enquirer" to influence the 2016 election and that, number two, that they sought after these negative stories alleging extramarital affairs with donald trump in order to keep them from the american public before november of 2016, chris. >> okay. paul, trump's defense drilled in again today into the words standard in questioning pecker, they drew that running negative stories like one on trump's opponents was standard because it was good for business, but in redirect, steinglass also now honed in on that term. he asked is it standard to be negotiating with a presidential candidate's fixer on an agreement and is a $1 million liquidated damages clause on a $30,000 source agreement standard operating procedure. who's being more effective on the use of the word standard and why does it matter so much? >> so i think they were both making decent points. this trial is about trump's motive in arranging this hush money payment, hush money payments aren't illegal unless you're d
again, the focus that david pecker is here to tell the story that, number one, they used david pecker and the "national enquirer" to influence the 2016 election and that, number two, that they sought after these negative stories alleging extramarital affairs with donald trump in order to keep them from the american public before november of 2016, chris. >> okay. paul, trump's defense drilled in again today into the words standard in questioning pecker, they drew that running...
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let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was donald trump's pick not prosecutor's pick. we are seeing this process that defense lawyer goes through in cross-examination. as vaughn said, they can't argue the evidence when they are cross-examining the witness. they are collecting coins that they hope will turn out to be valuable in closing argument when they can go back and argue to the jury. you can't really believe these people, they are not credible. >> the other thing, catherine, is this gag order hearing. judge merchan set it for next thursday. that's another week before dealing with the
let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was...
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david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're currently discussing now is david pecker on january of 2017 walking into a trump tower meeting, just weeks before donald trump was sworn in as president, a meeting that included the likes of reince priebus, sean spicer and james comey and they're getting into the gritty details of exactly what david pecker's role is a part of all of these meetings was and the extent to which donald trump was using these opportunities to ensure the silence of some of these key figures. jose? >> this is a continuing issue, this meeting and as well as o
david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're...
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of david pecker. is that a violation of the gag order? >> they're holding their ammunition. i think -- >> are they trying to influence david pecker? >> when i was a young watergate prosecutor, i thought we had won the battle that no one is above the law and i thought that that was last in memorial. now, trump is violating the gag order. i don't think it is a closed question. the difficulty is what is the judge going to do about it and the d.a. said we're not asking for incarceration. so what is the judge going to do? he has to follow the law. if my client did something like that, they would be in jail, i mean, there would be a hearing, handcuffs on before they ever have a hearing. what the judge is going to do incarceration, i just don't think is a realistic option. it would make trump a martyr. >> and so, politically, what do you think trump wants the judge to do? i mean, trump is trying to use this gag order politically to his benefit, right, richard? and is he trying to egg the judge to try to inca
of david pecker. is that a violation of the gag order? >> they're holding their ammunition. i think -- >> are they trying to influence david pecker? >> when i was a young watergate prosecutor, i thought we had won the battle that no one is above the law and i thought that that was last in memorial. now, trump is violating the gag order. i don't think it is a closed question. the difficulty is what is the judge going to do about it and the d.a. said we're not asking for...
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it just is not david pecker's to tell. he testified that he didn't have direct involvement in the purchase or negotiation of the stormy daniels settlement. to the extent "the enquirer" did at all, it was behind his pack. dylan howard, the chief content officer, got involved in it, even though pecker said an affiliation with a porn star will offend our largest distributor, walmart, and we don't want to get into that. but howard kept getting involved. >> from the white house, donald trump would check in on, quote, our girl, talking about karen mcdougal, and pecker would say, "she's quiet. she's fine," end quote. barbara mcquade, we've entered cross-examination. it began yesterday and will resume later today from trump's legal team. what kind of witness was david pecker for the prosecution? a good way to start? >> oh, i think he was a terrific way to start. you know, he is somebody who is -- has a story to tell. he can establish the timeline. he could begin at the beginning, in august of 2015 when this conspiracy began. and i
it just is not david pecker's to tell. he testified that he didn't have direct involvement in the purchase or negotiation of the stormy daniels settlement. to the extent "the enquirer" did at all, it was behind his pack. dylan howard, the chief content officer, got involved in it, even though pecker said an affiliation with a porn star will offend our largest distributor, walmart, and we don't want to get into that. but howard kept getting involved. >> from the white house,...
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>> oh, david pecker is the star witness for the people. and that may be a bold statement because so far he's been the only witness, but there are a few points why he must be. number one, they never would have called him first if he wasn't a solid witness. and number two, who isn't fascinated by this expose of how tabloid checkbook journalism works. i found it fascinating, and if you're fascinated as a juror, you're definitely listening. point three, he's part of a character i call a skoundological in that he's unabashed, unashamed of what he does. when you have witnesses like that, jurors kind of like them. they realize they are who they are, and they will listen to them and find them credible. as to that credibility, he has somewhat less credibility issues than michael cohen. so i think a very effective witness for the state and a really tough witness to cross for the defense. >> we don't use the word scoundrel enough in our coverage enough, danny cevallos. thank you for joining us and giving us new vocab words. >>> still ahead we'll look
>> oh, david pecker is the star witness for the people. and that may be a bold statement because so far he's been the only witness, but there are a few points why he must be. number one, they never would have called him first if he wasn't a solid witness. and number two, who isn't fascinated by this expose of how tabloid checkbook journalism works. i found it fascinating, and if you're fascinated as a juror, you're definitely listening. point three, he's part of a character i call a...
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they established that david pecker still likes donald trump. and that's a good thing because you have michael cohen and other people who very clearly have to be viewed with at least some questions about the personal animus that will come up on cross. here the jury was treated to a very simple fact, this guy this was transactional. he says nothing personal against him, just business. and that makes him a stronger witness against trump. >> yes. >> after the direct examination of david pecker concluded today, the cross-examination started, so the trump lawyers got to start asking david pecker hostile questions effectively and that had some really interesting stuff. we'll be looking at that right after this. stay with us. ng at that right after this stay with us have any idea? that they can sell their life insurance policy for cash? so they're basically sitting on a goldmine? i don't think they have a clue. that's crazy! well, not everyone knows coventry's helped thousands of people sell their policies for cash. even term policies. i can't believe
they established that david pecker still likes donald trump. and that's a good thing because you have michael cohen and other people who very clearly have to be viewed with at least some questions about the personal animus that will come up on cross. here the jury was treated to a very simple fact, this guy this was transactional. he says nothing personal against him, just business. and that makes him a stronger witness against trump. >> yes. >> after the direct examination of david...
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i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors and i said, did he pay her parents? he said no, and this guy said i had to sue to get their money. i said okay, well, they got $.50 on the dollar back in the guy says you know what? they voted for trump. why if they believe he cheated them on their money? he said because, if you cheat says he will cheat everybody else on behalf of america, cheat the rest of the world on behalf of america. there is an interesting dynamic. it's a view, of him as somebody who is able to manipulate the system to work the system, bypass the system, whatever it is, that see
i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors...
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david pecker and trump. that the conversation during which and said trump said to him, yet again, how is karen? >> is the implication of "house or girl," and "how's karen?" is she holding to agreement? >> is she and is she happy with what you've offered. talked on direct about the fact that karen mcdougal thought this was a serious arrangement. she was trying to forward her career and wanted to do red carpet interviews, she wanted to write columns in some of the fitness magazines, so at one point, david pecker has her come to new york and they have a meeting where he hears her out about her various complaints about her contractual arrangement with american media. why? he wants to come in his words, keep her in the family. hold her close. >> it's sad and sordid. i did think, as i was reading our notes on the internal slack , because we don't have the transcript, that the john edwards case is like, the closest parallel we have particularly because that ended up in acquittal, because that was this question of w
david pecker and trump. that the conversation during which and said trump said to him, yet again, how is karen? >> is the implication of "house or girl," and "how's karen?" is she holding to agreement? >> is she and is she happy with what you've offered. talked on direct about the fact that karen mcdougal thought this was a serious arrangement. she was trying to forward her career and wanted to do red carpet interviews, she wanted to write columns in some of the...
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i felt like , peter, david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps on grafting and he completely dupes his followers. but then they sit there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial so far has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, you know, it reminds me of a story i was told once by a new yorker his parents work for donald trump as contractors. we all know that donald trump is not always very good about paying the contractors. i said this person, did he pay your parents? he said no, he didn't. discussed that i had to sue him to get their money. i said okay. he said well, i got $.50 on the dollar back. but you know what? they voted for trump. i said why would they vote for trump if they believe he cheated them on their money? he said well, if he cheats us, he will cheat everybody else on behalf of america. he will cheat the rest of the world on behalf of america. so there is a sort of interesting view of him as somebody who was able
i felt like , peter, david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps on grafting and he completely dupes his followers. but then they sit there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial so far has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, you know, it reminds me of a story i was told once by a new yorker his parents work for donald trump as contractors. we all know that donald trump is...
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david pecker said we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrass or hurt the campaign. today judge juan merchan ruled in donald trump's favor to exclude some evidence from the jury including text messages between dylan howard, the editor-in-chief of the national enquirer at the time, and a close relative stating at least if trump wins, i will be pardoned for electoral fraud. joining now is adam klotz feld, in the courtroom today and in that courtroom every day for us at the trump trial. he is a fellow at justice security. i paid next to no attention to this trial today with the supreme court and the transcript. what did i miss? >> well, what you missed was david pecker steadily chipping away at trump's defenses. i will give you one example. there was a moment where pecker was asked point blank did he think that trump was concerned about the campaign or his family? and pecker said the campaign. and as to elaborate on that, because as to his personal opinion why did he think that, trump never spoke about ivanka, ever spoke about me
david pecker said we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrass or hurt the campaign. today judge juan merchan ruled in donald trump's favor to exclude some evidence from the jury including text messages between dylan howard, the editor-in-chief of the national enquirer at the time, and a close relative stating at least if trump wins, i will be pardoned for electoral fraud. joining now is adam klotz feld, in the courtroom today and in that courtroom every day for us at the trump...
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david pecker. david pecker had engaged in one of those life rights assignment agreements with this woman. and, that is how david pecker said he came to understand it was unlawful, because authorities came knocking at the they investigated him. >> the got in trouble for this. >> the got in trouble, not with the fec because a gubernatorial candidate is not subject to federal campaign finance law . but, that is how david pecker can related the body of knowledge that cost him to say when he was concerned about this, this might be a problem, i was sensitive to it. then, when michael cohen and he were arranging for his repayment for the mcdougal settlement, a lawyer at american media was consulted and without revealing the substance of the conversation, david pecker essentially conveyed i checked with a lawyer and the lawyer said this is not kosher. even though he wasn't a bank, even though he was worried about the effect on walmart, his biggest distributor of the magazine, when it all was said and done,
david pecker. david pecker had engaged in one of those life rights assignment agreements with this woman. and, that is how david pecker said he came to understand it was unlawful, because authorities came knocking at the they investigated him. >> the got in trouble for this. >> the got in trouble, not with the fec because a gubernatorial candidate is not subject to federal campaign finance law . but, that is how david pecker can related the body of knowledge that cost him to say...
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he escorts david pecker up to trump's office. he walks in and he sees this incredible assembly of men, like -- >> james comey. >> james comey, like the head of the fbi was there, reince priebus, this group of people. they're talking about government business. and donald trump introduces david pecker to the room and he says, he knows more than anybody in this room. and it was a joke, as david pecker pointed out. nobody laughed. >> especially comey. he's probably like, how is this my life? >> then, just to show you how obsessed he was with karen mcdougal, he calls -- so "national enquirer" is standing there, and he calls him over to the side, and he says how is our girl doing? >> there seemed to be a real obsession that donald trump had with karen mcdougal. >> he seemed to have brought her up and followed up and said how is our girl? he was interested enough or hoar may have been interested in asking a way, hey, she's still quiet, isn't she? >> at the white house where he goes to the white house for his dinner, and donald trump and
he escorts david pecker up to trump's office. he walks in and he sees this incredible assembly of men, like -- >> james comey. >> james comey, like the head of the fbi was there, reince priebus, this group of people. they're talking about government business. and donald trump introduces david pecker to the room and he says, he knows more than anybody in this room. and it was a joke, as david pecker pointed out. nobody laughed. >> especially comey. he's probably like, how is...
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the testimony of david pecker and much more with special coverage beginning at 8 p.m. eastern. rachel maddow and all of our primetime friends will be here for the coverage. i'll be back. now the beat with ari melber. hi, ari. >> we have a lot to get to. i will see you at 8. >> welcome to the beat. i'm ari melber. these are extraordinary times. we're watching history unfold at the supreme court which heard arguments about putting a president on trial. historic, unprecedented, all the words are true about this one. no other president has been indicted like this. trump's lawyers arguing he should be immune, basically totally immune because he was president during those efforts. that is a new relatively made up claim which they lost unanimously before the respected d.c. court of appeals. keep that in mind. that is the recent precedent and context for today, and you may remember that was the now infamous hearing where the trump lawyer openly claimed that as president trump could have a license to kill american opponents. that was the kind of chilling talk that many, many people acro
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and then donald trump and david pecker. talking about our girl karen. >> our girl karen and the way he says our girl karen speaks to the idea that he has actually has a relationship with her and this is an alleged ten-month relationship and i did think it was -- you know, and the david pecker stories of new york of old, right. like i mean, ron emanuel and ron perelman. i mean these are people, these are new york people. he sort of served as a kind of press secretary for new york people and he would somehow pump these gossipy tabloid stories into the magazine. what i think is the most interesting is that we saw they had -- they showed some of the stories that the "national enquirer" ran against ted cruz and marco rubio and they were so crazy. >> crazy. >> a lot of them based on almost nothing, right, like the ted cruz -- that dad was somehow a killer. i mean the zodiac killer. completely crazy. what's so like almost tragic to me is ted cruz is now so on team trump -- >> so is rubio. >> right. neither have said anything about
and then donald trump and david pecker. talking about our girl karen. >> our girl karen and the way he says our girl karen speaks to the idea that he has actually has a relationship with her and this is an alleged ten-month relationship and i did think it was -- you know, and the david pecker stories of new york of old, right. like i mean, ron emanuel and ron perelman. i mean these are people, these are new york people. he sort of served as a kind of press secretary for new york people...
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david pecker says yes. steinglass says, did he ever say he was concerned about melania or how ivanka might feel. pecker says no, he invited me to the inauguration and he was going to get a cell phone number. that never transpired. pecker says he did not go to the inauguration and he asked his wife, and she said she didn't want to go either, so they didn't go. this is pecker saying this was -- part of the defense argument has been this is about protecting melania. he didn't want to embarrass me -- melania. and pecker said it was more about the campaign. >> it's on two levels. legally it's important. to have the campaign finance why it's a felony, this is so called john edwards defense, i did this for my family, not the campaign. the principal with the agreement with the other principal, david becker, donald trump. to have him say this was about the campaign, not his personal family goes directly to the legal theory. on the emotional side, just imagine you're a juror, you're in court, donald trump is sitting
david pecker says yes. steinglass says, did he ever say he was concerned about melania or how ivanka might feel. pecker says no, he invited me to the inauguration and he was going to get a cell phone number. that never transpired. pecker says he did not go to the inauguration and he asked his wife, and she said she didn't want to go either, so they didn't go. this is pecker saying this was -- part of the defense argument has been this is about protecting melania. he didn't want to embarrass me...
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to a friend after david pecker's testimony, as somebody who knows david pecker and donald trump. i said, it's interesting. david pecker just blew this case wide open against donald trump. yet, nothing on truth social. my friend started laughing and said, "you will never hear donald trump say anything bad about david pecker." then suggested that, you know, he knows a lot more about donald trump than donald trump would want people to know. listen to this. again, after this guy just blew open the case against him -- >> became the key witness. >> -- they asked him about david pecker. trump, "david has been very nice, very nice. he's a nice guy." rev, any theories? >> well, the theory is -- >> don't wander too far out there. >> -- whoever your friend is i think is correct. when donald trump says david has been nice, when david got on the stand and just about nailed his legal coffin in terms of this trial, it is because he knows he's been nice not to tell all the other things he may know about donald trump. >> yeah. >> if you have a guy that knows 100 things and he only testifies to te
to a friend after david pecker's testimony, as somebody who knows david pecker and donald trump. i said, it's interesting. david pecker just blew this case wide open against donald trump. yet, nothing on truth social. my friend started laughing and said, "you will never hear donald trump say anything bad about david pecker." then suggested that, you know, he knows a lot more about donald trump than donald trump would want people to know. listen to this. again, after this guy just blew...
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testimony will get under way with former national enquirer publisher david pecker, set to take the witness stand for a third day. prosecutors wrapped up on tuesday after pecker described an alleged catch and kill scheme that he participated in to cover up an alleged affair between trump and playboy model karen mcdougal. at the same time, judge juan merchan could also rule today on whether the former president violated his gag order. yesterday key witnesses in former trump attorney michael cohen stated he would stop posting or speaking publicly about the trial until after its conclusion. cohen is not under a gag order but has been the target of many of trump's recent rants. though donald trump gave an interview to the abc affiliate in philadelphia this week where he criticized michael cohen, and now one of trump's former attorneys is weighing in on those remarks. here's what trump said followed by new comments from his former lawyer, tim parlator. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar, and he's not no credibility whatsoever. he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a
testimony will get under way with former national enquirer publisher david pecker, set to take the witness stand for a third day. prosecutors wrapped up on tuesday after pecker described an alleged catch and kill scheme that he participated in to cover up an alleged affair between trump and playboy model karen mcdougal. at the same time, judge juan merchan could also rule today on whether the former president violated his gag order. yesterday key witnesses in former trump attorney michael cohen...
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yet, he has been radio silent when it comes to david pecker . he is railing on michael: every day tomorrow and yesterday. what does that tell you about david pecker? >> it tells me one of two things. who else does donald trump never criticize? judge aileen cannon because he thinks she is still going to give him a solid in the documents case in florida. with respect to david pecker it is either because sometime he thinks david is going to do him a solid in his testimony come tomorrow. i think that's unlikely because pecker is under a non-prosecute agreement. if he starts saying good stuff he could be prosecuted. or, pecker knows where even more of trump's bodies are buried so he's a threat. he doesn't want to antagonize pecker but he also hasn't said anything bad about hope, so i think maybe he's trying to see who his true enemies are and who still may hold out and do a little something for the donald. >> harry, my colleague, john allen, wrote an interesting piece today for he said trump's legal team is spending an enormous amount of time discuss
yet, he has been radio silent when it comes to david pecker . he is railing on michael: every day tomorrow and yesterday. what does that tell you about david pecker? >> it tells me one of two things. who else does donald trump never criticize? judge aileen cannon because he thinks she is still going to give him a solid in the documents case in florida. with respect to david pecker it is either because sometime he thinks david is going to do him a solid in his testimony come tomorrow. i...
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when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa and bryan, no two better people to talk about this with. thank you for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests in gaza. but first, tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. sharp, the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's next. e he was president? that's next. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles. don't take
when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa and bryan, no two better people to talk about this with. thank you for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests in gaza. but first, tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. sharp, the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's...
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it's because somehow he thinks david pecker is going to do him a solid in his testimony tomorrow. i think that unlikely. if he flips the script and starts saying good stuff for trump the prosecutors don't anticipate, pecker will be in trouble because he's going to be prosecuted. >> let's go to the or. >> the or is pecker knows where even more of trump's bodies are buried. >> bingo. >> he's a threat and he doesn't want to antagonize pecker, but he also hasn't said anything bad about hope hicks. i think maybe he's trying to see who his true enemies are and who still may hold out and do a little something for the donald. >> trump fears the pecker. harry, my colleague john allen wrote an interesting piece today where he said trump's legal team is spending an enormous amount of time discussing that donald trump should not be referred to as mr. trump. he needs to be referred to as the president of the united states, like they are spending a huge amount of time in court doing this. this will have absolutely no impact on the outcome of this case. what does that tell you about their priori
it's because somehow he thinks david pecker is going to do him a solid in his testimony tomorrow. i think that unlikely. if he flips the script and starts saying good stuff for trump the prosecutors don't anticipate, pecker will be in trouble because he's going to be prosecuted. >> let's go to the or. >> the or is pecker knows where even more of trump's bodies are buried. >> bingo. >> he's a threat and he doesn't want to antagonize pecker, but he also hasn't said...
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that is what is exactly the same with david pecker and the inquirer. this is about a financial relationship. they believe they have a fiduciary , they believe this is the responsibility they have to the shareholders, to keep the pro-trump propaganda going, to keep the viewers watching and then you will see on the air on fox when they interview voters, the voters are saying the exact same things jesse watters is saying. >> it is a feedback loop . from a legal perspective, this seems like terra incognito, to some degree. i was struck by last week when the jurors, multiple jurors were saying i am worried about my safety. judge juan merchan set i'm directing the press apply common sense and refrain from writing about anything that has to do, for example, with physical descriptions of the jurors. that is not necessary, it serves no purpose. he is asking the press and that included the mainstream press, frankly, is his ability to circumscribe the amount of information put out there as it concerns the press reduced to just request or is there anything legally
that is what is exactly the same with david pecker and the inquirer. this is about a financial relationship. they believe they have a fiduciary , they believe this is the responsibility they have to the shareholders, to keep the pro-trump propaganda going, to keep the viewers watching and then you will see on the air on fox when they interview voters, the voters are saying the exact same things jesse watters is saying. >> it is a feedback loop . from a legal perspective, this seems like...
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the first witness as mentioned was the tabloid star witness david pecker. by the on the other hand of this hour, i'm also going to get into trump's defense arguments which are important to understand and draw on what we learn from his own lawyers, what they've said in court, in public and sometimes even on this program. right now we look at what the d.a.'s team is telling the jury, that they will prove trump committed a type of election fraud. we'll start with what they said in court. the d.a. thinks they can nail this defendant because, quote, this case is about criminal conspiracy and a cover-up. plain english, and people know cover-ups can get you in trouble. quote, this was a planned, coordinated, long-running conspiracy to influence the 2016 election, prosecutor says, to help trump get elected. it was election fraud, pure and simple. note the use of the word "fraud." that's something donald trump faces in civil court, where he has been found liable for business fraud, but more importantly on the election fraud claim which they're arguing makes ate felo
the first witness as mentioned was the tabloid star witness david pecker. by the on the other hand of this hour, i'm also going to get into trump's defense arguments which are important to understand and draw on what we learn from his own lawyers, what they've said in court, in public and sometimes even on this program. right now we look at what the d.a.'s team is telling the jury, that they will prove trump committed a type of election fraud. we'll start with what they said in court. the d.a....
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then with the testimony going into the testimony of david pecker. my fellow reporters -- it's every line is something we have heard, have past reported on. it's fascinating. it's going to continue, certainly, over the next six weeks. >> what is the sense of what you are hearing in term -- i think you and other reporters have said there will be things we have never heard before. certainly, pecker's immunity deal with the southern district of new york means we haven't heard him in his own words before. doesn't mean the justice department didn't know what he knew. but we hadn't heard it. he testified to a criminal election interference scheme that by every measure violates any reasonable read of election laws. what is the reaction to what is now coming in quickly? >> i certainly think the reporting -- the core reporters are riveted by what pecker is saying. the jury -- this is a marathon for them. they certainly came in, jury selection happened quickly. i think they are just in the process of absorbing. i think the last few days they were certainly int
then with the testimony going into the testimony of david pecker. my fellow reporters -- it's every line is something we have heard, have past reported on. it's fascinating. it's going to continue, certainly, over the next six weeks. >> what is the sense of what you are hearing in term -- i think you and other reporters have said there will be things we have never heard before. certainly, pecker's immunity deal with the southern district of new york means we haven't heard him in his own...
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and how will trump's attorneys push back against david pecker whose testimony has already shown the former president to be a willing participant in a scheme to skew the 2020 election. >>> but we start at the supreme court where for the first time since they overturned roe v. wade, justices are being forced to reckon with the by-product of that decision and rule on the abortion issue all over again. at the heart of the arguments, whether idaho's near total abortion ban should take precedence over federal law and block abortions. in situations where abortion would help stabilize pregnant patients undergoing a medical crisis. now, idaho's attorney says it should. the government disagreed. >> what idaho is doing is waiting for women to wait and deteriorate and suffer the lifelong health consequences with no possible upside for the fetus. it just stacks tragedy upon tragedy. >> and it can't be the -- you know, it's become transfer is the appropriate standard of care in idaho, but it can't be the right standard of care to force somebody onto a helicopter. >> this supreme court battle over aborti
and how will trump's attorneys push back against david pecker whose testimony has already shown the former president to be a willing participant in a scheme to skew the 2020 election. >>> but we start at the supreme court where for the first time since they overturned roe v. wade, justices are being forced to reckon with the by-product of that decision and rule on the abortion issue all over again. at the heart of the arguments, whether idaho's near total abortion ban should take...
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but when court resumes tomorrow morning, david pecker will be back on the witness stand. yesterday, he detailed the catch and kill agreement with trump and michael cohen to buy and bury unflattering stoies about trump during the 2016 presidential bid. with us now to talk more about this, "new york times" investigative recorder susan craig, who spent years covering trump's businesses and finances. she's also been in court every day of the trial. so, sue, let's talk about yesterday, how did pecker do and what were the highlights of his testimony? >> right, so he started in the morning, and he really took jurors through chronologically how things went. the highlight of the day talked a lot about it on air was that meeting at trump tower, where they came to this agreement where david pecker was the eyes and ears of the campaign, he would catch negative stories for trump, and pay for them, and not publish them, and then he would put out negative stories about donald trump's opponents. and it was incredible to hear just the details of this scheme. there was points, michael cohe
but when court resumes tomorrow morning, david pecker will be back on the witness stand. yesterday, he detailed the catch and kill agreement with trump and michael cohen to buy and bury unflattering stoies about trump during the 2016 presidential bid. with us now to talk more about this, "new york times" investigative recorder susan craig, who spent years covering trump's businesses and finances. she's also been in court every day of the trial. so, sue, let's talk about yesterday, how...