good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. fani willis is not out of the woods. a state appeals court has agreed to look at whether the d.a. in charge of trump's criminal case in georgia should be disqualified.

trump's legal team amping up efforts to get her and then potentially the whole trial thrown out as his current hush money trial takes a break. plus, a mid-may primary throwing even more uncertainty into an already volatile race for president. the lights flashing red for donald trump after a shockingly strong showing by nikki haley who dropped out of the race months ago. and it's a first since the october 7th hamas-led attack in israel. could the u.s. pause an arms shipment, include thousands of weapons including bombs, and will israel pause plans for a major assault on rafah as a result. but we begin with the potentially big win for donald trump in fulton county, georgia, where the state appeals court just granted his request to consider whether district attorney fani willis should be disqualified from his election interference case. the decision comes nearly six weeks after donald trump and eight of his co-defendants all accused of working to overturn

the 2020 election results in georgia asked the court to reverse a previous decision leaving her in charge of the case. they claim her relationship with then special prosecutor nathan wade, who has since stepped down, was improper and disqualifying. here she was in a dramatic moment at her disqualification hearing in february. >> you're confused. you think i'm on trial. these people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. i'm not on trial no matter how hard you try to put me on trial. >> i want to bring in nbc's blayne alexander who has been following this case extensively for us. nbc's justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian. also here former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, glenn kirschner. okay, blayne, so what happens now? >> reporter: chris, basically what this means is that this portion of the georgia election interference case that we thought was over, that we thought was already settled with the judge's decision is not over.

it's now just kind of moving on to part two. what this means is that it's going to be going before a panel of appeals court judges. now, i think it's important to point out you showed that dramatic moment when fani willis testified on the stand for the better part of two hours. we heard from nathan wade. we heard all of this kind of bombshell testimony. that's not going to be the case here. this is a much more buttoned up process before the appeals court. each attorney is going to get 15 minutes or so to argue their case. it's not going to be in front of tv cameras as has everything else we've seen in fulton county, though we will get audio from inside, and then the appeals court judges are going to go about their way, make their decision and issue their ruling. as for who's responding to this, the d.a.'s office tells me they're not planning to comment on this. who we are hearing from is steve sadow. he said prurp looks fwart to prending arguments to the georgia court after appeals as to why the case should be

dismissed and fulton county d.a. fani willis should be disqualified for her misconduct in this unjustified, unwarranted political persecution. this has been his stand all along. the other piece of this is, one, what does this do to the time line? all along d.a. fani willis said she hoped to see this go to trial by august, by early august, sometime this summer. people have been saying from the very beginning that that is an ambitious time line. the case was really sidetracked for the better part of two and a half months because of these allegations and this further appeal makes it unlikely we'll see this go to trial this year. >> so glen, what do you make of this ruling? >> there are a few things going on in the background here. i don't think it's shocking that the georgia court of appeals is interested in getting its hands on a weighty issue, perhaps unprecedented in georgia law. but when we recall when judge

mcafee granted donald trump's motion, this was a discretionary appeal. he didn't have a right to this appeal, but judge mcafee granted donald trump's request to appeal this issue, judge mcafee also said, however, my trial case will not stop will not pause, will not be stayed. he's going to continue litigating motions with an eye toward moving his case toward trial. that is of course unless the georgia court of appeals issues a stay. we have a comparable situation in d.c. where the supreme court is dealing with the absolute immunity claim, and the supreme court has stopped or paused or stayed judge chutkan's trial case in federal court in d.c. i read the georgia court of appeals order. it did not say anything about staying the proceedings. now, donald trump in the future may make that request, but as of right now, the trial case that judge mcafee is presiding over presumably will continue

resolving issues, and of course we're still waiting to see that first trial date being set in georgia. as of yet, it has not been set. >> they both touched on it, ken, but what exactly is the thinking that you're hearing about how long this delay could be? is it at all possible that there could be a trial that starts before the election? >> anything's possible, chris, but it's looking more and more remote. this is really a victory for donald trump. there's no hard and fast rules about how quickly an appeals court can move on something like this, but it's not out of the realm of possible to see this take a few months to render a decision and assuming it doesn't go against fani willis, assuming she's allowed to remain in the case, that still deals an almost fatal blow of the prospects of seeing this case go to trial before the election. it's always important to restate that justice department doctrine says that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted. so if donald trump is elected and this case is still pending, it's going to be suspended while

he serves as president, chris. >> so glenn, as you look at the overall picture and the impact that this could have on the other overall picture, are we well past the point that we were talking about for so many months, which is that these trials are kind of going to depend on one another. there could be a kind of domino effect. when something happens one place, it impacts the other place. it almost looks like none of that is relevant, at least as we're looking towards the election. >> you know, it does feel less and less likely that we're going to get any case other than obviously the new york case, which is underway, any of those other cases to trial before the election. i agree with ken, it's not impossible that we could have at least a first rico trial down in georgia before the election. i also think it's unlikely. you know, but let's also keep our eye on the fact that when these big rico cases end up going to trial, it's not unusual. this was my experience when i was prosecuting rico cases, for

a trial to be set with just a handful of the defendants, and there are 15 charged defendants that remain pending trial in georgia. i wouldn't rule out the possibility of perhaps a september trial against a modest batch of defendants down in georgia, maybe three, four, five of the defendants. of course it could include donald trump, but chris, as you say, there are cases being played one against another. there are so many moving pieces that i think it becomes harder and harder to see how one of these cases actually make it to trial other than the one in new york before the election. >> so let me ask you a little more about what's happening in florida and judge aileen cannon who is overseeing that classified documents case and who postponed that trial. "the new york times" put it this way, glenn, a bare bones order that contained no factual or legal reasoning. she has faced criticism of bias before. does this raise bias issues for you, issues of competency, or is it, frankly, within the realm of

any judge's right to do what they want to do and rule how they want to rule? >> chris, it raises all three of those things you just cited. i would put this as additional evidence and information into the recusal bucket. here's why i say that. often as a prosecutor, i would have defense attorneys urge judges not to set a trial date. they would say, judge, we still have so much pretrial investigation we need to undertake. we need to file and litigate motions. we need those motions to be resolved well in advance of trial. please don't set a trial date. i can't recall ever having a judge fall for that. everybody in the system understands you have to have a set trial date, a firm trial date, and then you set all other intermediate deadlines for filing and litigating motions in place in the run up to that trial date. you need a trial date to subpoena witnesses and have enough time to prepare

witnesses. so when i saw judge cannon refuse to set a trial date, mind you this is against the backdrop of when she last asked the parties, the prosecution and the defense for proposed trial dates, jack smith proposed july, donald trump and his attorneys proposed august, and she is unwilling to even set the proposed date by the defense, august, she said no trial date will be set. i think it's further evidence of her determination to put this thing not just on a slow track. it's almost feels like she's trying to catch and kill this case apropos of what david pecker was doing trying to help donald trump in the 2016 election when he was catching and killing negative information about donald trump. >> yes, i saw a number of the headlines, ken, they said that the case is postponed indefinitely, no matter which way you read the word indefinitely, the final conclusion is nobody knows if or when, right, this trial might

actually happen. >> yeah, that's right, chris, and you know, she scheduled five hearings on these various pretrial motions, some of which many legal experts would argue you don't need to have a hearing on, like defendant walt nauta arguing this is a selective and vindictive prosecution. she's going to do a day-long hearing on that. it does feel like this is going to play out for some period of time. and even when these hearings conclude, then she has to rule on each one of these motions. she may issue written rulings. it's really looking like the chances of this going to trial before the election are remote. it's worth remembering and reminding viewers judge cannon was assigned to this case randomly. so that makes donald trump one of the luckiest criminal defendants in american history perhaps because he got her not once but twice, and she's had a meaningful impact on this prosecution, chris. >>. >> ken dilanian, blayne alexander, glenn kirschner, thank you all very much. in 90 seconds, a new warning sign for former president trump as he gets back into campaign

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at his trial, off days for the deluge of press coverage that the trial dominates and so on days for the campaign trail. take today, trump is hosting multiple political meetings at mar-a-lago while biden makes campaign stops in wisconsin and illinois. and at the same time, there may be a warning sign for trump in something you plausibly thought was over. the primary season. there was a republican primary in indiana, and today it's looking like the nonexistent campaign of nikki haley is getting close to 22%, two months after she dropped out of the race and in a state that trump won by 16 points in 2020. joining us now nbc national politics reporter, john allen and chief strategist for the bush cheney 2004 campaign and a senior msnbc political contributor. how unexpected are these results for the trump campaign, and are they a warning for him? >> they've gotten used to a

zombie candidate, that being nikki haley, someone who's no longer actually running taking a substantial share of the votes, but still, what you're seeing in indiana is a large number, 22%. they certainly didn't want to see that. obviously there's no active campaign going on. we've seen joe biden not get 100% or close to it in some of the states that have had primaries on the democratic side since he wrapped up the nomination, which is basically when he announced for renomination. but the 22% number you're seeing for haley is not a welcome sign in trump world. >> so matthew, hours before those results were called in indiana, trump claimed he wasn't concerned about winning over haley voters. i want to play that. >> all of those people are going to come to me because what's -- first of all, what's their choice? biden, he's the worst president in the history of our country. >> they're all going to come to me. is there anything, matthew, to suggest trump should be confident that haley voters are going to come to him? >> i think there's a lot of evidence that he's actually right in this circumstance. i mean, i think there's haley

voters that came to independents in some states and democrats in some states that came in to vote against donald trump. he can't get those, but haley republicans, i mean, keep in mind donald trump got 94% of the republican vote in 2020. after all the republicans who came out after hillary clinton, donald trump actually did better among republicans against biden in 2020 than he did in 2016, and every single poll seems to suggest today that he's going to get 92 or 93% of republicans along what he did in 2016 or 2020. i equate it to like a rivalry, so think about like the new york yankees and the people in new york who love new york who want the new york yankees but are dissatisfied with the coach or dissatisfied with the team, and they play the cleveland indians, not to pick a team you're

familiar with. >> the guardians. >> sorry. my guardians who i prefer to think about much more than the yankees, but continue. >> and go tigers today when they play the guardians, my tigers. so when the yankees play the guardians, there's a certain amount of people that say, yeah, fine, i hate our coach right now. we'll let the guardians win, but when the yankees play the red sox, any of those people thought it would be okay if the guardians won, they don't want the red sox to win. that's the same way with these republican voters in indiana and other states that are expressing dissatisfaction with donald trump are, but when they play the political version of the red sox being joe biden, they're going to come home. >> so do you think, john, and i know you've talked to a loft lot of them, do you think democrats are overestimating what they're seeing in some of these states with the ongoing haley vote. and again, first time that it's hit above 20%, and they think that a significant portion --

and by significant, a couple of percent, right, because that could swing an election, that a number of them will either vote for joe biden or stay home, which if they voted for trump four years ago, that's essentially a vote for joe biden. >> yeah, some of the democrats are absolutely over estimating the effect that's going on in terms of, you know, how many of these voters will go away from trump or didn't in the last election, right, who voted for trump in the last election and will, you know, go to joe biden this time. that is right, the vast majority of republican voters will end up with donald trump, and then there are some democrats who are not over estimating the impact of this, but rather seeing it as an opportunity to score some political points. it's a big number that they'd like to point to as a sign of donald trump's weakness, and at the same time, if you're trump, you would prefer to see, you know, races where you're losing 10% than losing 20%. >> so matthew, while donald trump is at mar-a-lago talking

to folks, president biden is hitting two states today, this event just wrapped up, he's hitting battleground wisconsin among them. last wednesday vice president harris was in florida when its new abortion ban went into effect. does it make sense for the biden campaign essentially to fill a coverage hole on wednesdays when trump isn't in court? >> i mean, absolutely. i would think donald trump who constantly complains that he's not able to campaign, but then he subsequently almost always goes back to mar-a-lago to chill with his rich friends or whatever, or he goes golfing. i mean, donald trump if he wasn't in court, i don't think would be on the trail in iowa or wisconsin like biden is or michigan. he does what he is comfortable with, which is go back to the safe confines of mar-a-lago. so i think it's really smart of the biden campaign to go to the key six or seven states that are going to affect this election in the course of this, and one

thing going to our previous conversation, one thing i think that democrats should be thinking more about is not about what republicans are going to come and vote for him, but what democrats aren't motivated right now because as of right now, the republican party voters are more motivated, slightly more motivated than democrats, so his travel to places like wisconsin hopefully in their mind will change that dynamic and motivate democrats. that's the bigger concern is motivation of democrats. >> john allen, thank you, matthew dowd, please stay with me. house republicans holding a hearing to examine anti-semitism in k through 12 schools. we'll get the latest from the hill. it got pretty wild there. will the u.s. decision to halt a large shipment of weapons to israel push prime minister netanyahu to pause the planned assault on rafah. a live report from cairo on "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. on msnbc.

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it didn't take long for a house hearing on anti-semitism in elementary and secondary schools today to turn highly contentious devolving into heated arguments. new york city, berkeley, california, and montgomery county the, maryland, over anti-semitism in their schools and their curriculum accusing them of turning a blind eye since october 7th.

>> there's a lack of enforcement and accountability that there is a set of rules but that individuals who violate those rules are not held accountable. >> we've held a lot of people accountable. that was part -- you want to hear when i gave my opening statement. >> you said you fired the principal and it turns out the former principal -- >> i never said i fired the principal. >> you did. you can check the testimony, ms. mclean asked, you fired her. >> fired the principal of who is this. >> hillcrest. >> i never said i fired the principal. you check the records. i never said. i said we removed the principal. >> what disciplinary action was taken against this teach? >> action was taken -- first of all, i want to say what that employee did absolutely disgusting. absolutely disgusting. >> but what action? >> and we took action. >> what was the action? >> i cannot give you the specifics on the action that was taken. >> yes, you can, you're in front of congress. what is the action? >> on this specific employee, we did -- >> the gentle lady's time is expired. >> that's unacceptable. >> reporter: nbc's julie tsirkin

is on capitol hill for us. walk us through what happened. >> we've gotten used to seeing congresswoman elise stefanik sort of be present and go toe to toe. previously it has been up until this point with the administrators with the heads of colleges and universities today for the first time before congress came a panel of chancellors, of administrators, of superintendents, of districts, chris you laid them out well, predominantly liberal, democratic cities. this is clearly a point republicans want to make here. the chancellor of the new york city public school system talking about someone who made disparaging remarks, someone from a high school in queens. there were other moments in this hearing. of course where many republicans, again, pressed these administrators from the school system in berkeley, from here about 20 minutes away from here in montgomery county, maryland, and of course new york city as well seeing if they have

-- this is certainly a topic that republicans in the house want to continue to press on. i want you to take a listen to what one democrat, jamal bowman who was an educator himself before he got to congress had to say in a pretty testy remark here. >> we must fight hate in all its forms at the same time. i have members of congress talking about teachers teaching hate, none of them have an education background, by the way, they're talking about teachers teaching hate. i work in congress. when you go in the rotunda and you look at american history, you see colonists coming in and taking over america from the native americans. there is no reference to the black people who built this country in our rotunda. but we're scolding you about teaching hate. you know how many black statues there are in the capitol? three. you know how many confederate statues there are in the capitol? 12. i work in an institution that

teaches hate. >> reporter: and certainly bowman makes some notable point there is. again, his background being a teacher, being an educator, he often comes out in front on these issues making a point here that, yes, we have to confront anti-semitism to these members of congress, to these superintendents, but we also have to make sure we teach history in all of its forms including in many aspects as bowman pointed out with the history of black americans being left out of education here and in the capitol where i'm standing right now. >> quite a day there, thank you so much. an israeli official says there is deep frustration with the u.s. for pausing an arms shipment that includes 2,000 pound bombs, a move first reported by nbc news. it's another sign of the growing chasm between the countries pla rly between israel's plan of a major invasion of rafah where the palestinian red crescent said half a million civilians are still sheltering. families fleeing under israel's evacuation knows have been piling their belongings on the side of the road near the water telling the a.p. they were told

to leave but have no idea where they're going. another woman telling the bbc she has been displaced six times in the last four months and saying, quote, i'm so confused, this was the last place i know. nbc's hala gorani is reporting from cairo, egypt, monica alba is at the white house. the u.s. said aid from the egyptian side of the border should reopen today. what's the latest there? >> reporter: well, we're hearing from sources inside of gaza that, in fact, these border crossings have not reopened. there are two main ones in the south, one in the north, the one in the north erez we understand is not operational. rafah, that part of the border there that abuts egypt that the israeli military has sent tank s into, that one is closed. kerem shalom on the israeli territory to the east of rafah we understand is closed but we're hearing from israeli sources that it's opened once again, and there is some

confusion. either way, the number of trucks going through, chris, we're talking 100, 150 at most per day. and i think our viewers have to remember that before the war, before there was this great need for humanitarian assistance, before there were famine conditions in the north, 500 vehicles per day were crossing into gaza. so you can imagine that what is going through, even if these border crossings open shortly will not be nearly enough. this is happening against the backdrop of increased bombardment of rafah whereas the woman you were mentioning in your intro there who was speaking to the bbc has aid and as many people have told us as well and our crew inside gaza, they have nowhere left to go because they had reached essentially the border with egypt, chris. >> and that obviously is at the heart, monica, of the concerns that have been expressed for quite a while by president biden. where does all of this leave the relationship? >> yeah, for months the president and the biden administration have been very

clear that their preference would have been that there would be nothing like what we're seeing already in rafah and certainly nothing larger than these limited strikes right now that aren't amounting to the full-scale ground invasion that the administration and top aides have been warning the israelis against for weeks and months, but again, as we have seen repeatedly throughout this war, there are moments when the president comes out, expresses his opinion on what he would like to see happen and israel doesn't necessarily heed that advice and instead goes on its own way. but all of this is happening, this humanitarian crisis with the backdrop of these very fragile talks around a potential hostage deal that would see the release of those hostages in gaza, in exchange for a pause in fighting, but there are a lot of questions still about those critical gaps and we understand from the white house today and in talking to officials that they do believe these are gaps that can be closed over the next couple of days, but we've seen this before where things seem to get to a very close point only

to completely collapse, so everybody here is still very on edge about what could happen. and then this is also in the larger context of learning that the u.s. did halt its sale of weapons to israel last week, some of those critical very large bombs that had been used so far in the war, and that is a significant moment in this conflict as well, chris, as the entire administration is evaluating whether israel has used those weapons so far in accordance with international law. the deadline for submitting that highly anticipated report was supposed to be today, but we're told by administration officials they're definitely going to miss that deadline, likely by a few days, and even up to a week so this conversation about these really colliding story lines right now that are all connected couldn't be more fraught and couldn't be more fragile, and that is really what the biden administration is highlighting today as it hopes to try to see if the cia director bill burns who is there trying to have

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today we're watching the expansion of the biden campaign's focus on abortion, not only the frequent role of vice president kamala harris who, by the way, just landed in philadelphia for a campaign event that's starting soon, but also for her husband, second gentleman doug emhoff is hosting events himself hoping to recruit men as allies in the fight for reproductive rights. it's part of a big bet the campaign is making that men can also be galvanized to vote on what team biden describes as a family issue, impacting men's lives as well. nbc's yamiche alcindor is following this story for us. matt dowd is back with me. you sat down for an exclusive interview, yamiche, with the second gentleman, what did he tell you? >> that's right, yesterday i sat down with second gentleman doug emhoff in atlanta as he convened a panel on an issue rarely discussed. he's hoping to galvanize men to see the restrictions to the

procedure as a health care crisis impacting women, men, and families overall. he stressed that men also need to advocate for women as they face challenges related to childbirth, and he said men need to be concerned about how the supreme court taking away the federal right to abortion could impact other fundamental rights in the future. and as part of his efforts, he told me he's been talking to men across the country and in his personal life. here's more of what he told me. >> i'm talking about this with my other dad friends. i'm talking about it with my son, and it's not just because i also have a daughter. i have a son, and we talk about it, about how this is going to impact him and how he's going to start a family or not, and then we talked at length about freedom because even if this isn't your issue but it should be because, again, woman should not be treated less than. where does it end? what are we coming after next? is it contraception, is it right to marry who you want to marry, love who you want to love, read

what you want to read, and just having the government be back in your lives. >> the event was timed to mark the fifth anniversary of georgia's six-week ban. he had a direct message, he said quote, stop it, listen to doctors, listen to nurses, listen to women and men who are suffering and do the right thing. like his wife, vice president kamala harris as well as president biden the second gentleman pointedly criticized former president donald trump and said his actions have put lives in danger. he said he feels a special responsibility to talk about this issue and campaign on it as the first man, of course, to ever hold the position that he has in the administration. i should say i talked to several young men and women who welcomed his visit. one nurse told me that her husband saved her life by advocaing for her when she almost died after having her son. stories like hers underscore why everyone should care about reproductive health care. >> i think the campaign clearly is betting that men can have a role in this and it will impact

how they vote. there is some data to support that. there was this poll, i think, last week from the economist showing 65% of men, a strong majority, believe it's an important issue. 38% of men consider it very important, and while the numbers are small for those who rate it as the most important issue, only 4% of men, 8% of women, those voters support biden 3 to 1 over trump. so what do you make of this as a campaign strategy? let's not just wait for the women to galvanize. let's get the men together too. >> i think it's really smart. i mean, i have been waiting for this for a long time because this issue has oftentimes been only pigeon holed as a woman's issue, and when you look at -- you showed some of the data, you look at more data, the support for roe versus wade is equally as strong among men as women in this country. so when we isolate these issues and call them one or another, we

neglect to see the power it can have on the opposite sex. this issue directly affecting women obviously and their choices they make also affecting men who have daughters, who have sisters, who are married who are in relationships. all of that and then as the vice president, i think, eloquently said, it's a broader freedom issue, keep the government out of our business, out of our private lives. so i think it's really, really smart of them to do, and i think it's long overdue that this issue be talked about in terms of a men's and a women's issue because i think it has power among both sexes. >> you have to speak to different constituencies in different ways. you also have to prioritize. you know that well from your time on the campaign. there's been a sense as you know with these protests on college campuses that the war in gaza is moving young voters. there was an article in "the times" focused on michigan and it pointed out few of them cited

the israel-hamas conflict as a top source of discontent with joe biden. so it's easy to sort of fall into this news of day or if there are protesters out there, that's where you got to have sort of the meat of your campaign, but are they right, democrats in general, to worry less about the gaza impact in november and focus more on issues like abortion, the economy. >> well, yeah, and i think that poll or another poll showed it was the number ninth ranking issue among younger voters, number nine after climate change, after inflation, after health care, after education, after the economy in the course of this. i think oftentimes we in the media have a recency bias, whatever is in front of us we focus on. in some cases that's important to do. i think the amount of coverage this has and what people have led others to believe of its impact has been way, way overstated. important issue, what's going on in the middle east, what's happening to the palestinians, israelis protects their lives

from terrorists, all incredibly important in this, but on a list of issues that people are actually going to vote on come november in this, this to me is going to be way, way, way down the pike, and if you're talking to younger voters, you're missing 90% of what younger voters care about. >> so much of it is tied up in the economy, polls have shown this anecdotally. housing, will i ever be able to afford a house, health care, which may be part of the motivation between a new ad buy from the biden campaign. let me play just a little clip. >> obamacare is a disaster. we want to terminate it. >> that would mean over 100 million americans will lose protections for pre-existing conditions. folks he's coming for your health care, and we're not going to let it happen. >> for a lot of kids, as you know, matthew, they're their parents' insurance because of the democratic initiative.

they can stay there until they're 26 years old. is that something that resonates with an awful lot of young americans? >> i mean, to me if you look at the top three issues that cross all races, all ages, every group, and every -- i mean, you care about of the people that are going to decide an election, the top three issues in america by far among any group are the economy, which includes inflation, protecting our democracy, which is still one of the top three issues of the country because of the worries people have in health care. those are the three issues in my view that this election should be and will be fought over. >> matthew dowd, yamiche alcindor, great to have this conversation with the two of you. thanks. up next, a new debate over medical freedom and public health, should a cavity fighting mineral be in the water that we drink? but first, a very special delivery, a texas usps driver was taken by complete surprise when he came across letters that are eight decades old.

alvin goche, a marine veteran who served in iraq said he found world war ii era letters while he was getting ready for his route and knew he needed to find the family who never got them. with the help from our nbc affiliate, he tracked down joann smith, the sister of the soldier who wrote them. but she didn't live around the corner, so goche used his day off and his own money to travel 379 miles to arkansas and deliver them himself. >> i just appreciate alvin. he has really gone out of his way. people connect on different levels and i feel as connected to alvin as i do my family. >> you made mom cry. e mom cry.

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in the supreme court. it's the latest debate targeted toward your teeth. communities across the country now fighting over whether to flush fluoride from their water supplies. here's nbc's erin mclaughlin. >> reporter: abby smith is extra careful about brushing her son teddy's teeth. now that her local tap water no longer contains fluoride after community members in union county, north carolina, came forward to express concerns, the county commission voted 3 -2 to remove it. >> i didn't know there was a fight against fluoride. >> reporter: she's scrambling to figure out what to do for her two small children. dentist meg lacry is alarmed. it should be added to water to help small teeth.

tooth paste with fluoride is not enough. it needs to be ingested. >> there's a 25% reduction of children and adult decay for people in community flor ri nated water. >> reporter: in the wake of covid and the anti-vaxx movement, pitting dentists. >> i hope you consider leaving the fluoride in the water for the most vulnerable. >> reporter: against activists. >> how can we knowingly lower the population's iq. >> reporter: the local chair of the right wing group moms for liberty pointed to a canadian study that showed lower iqs, the author acknowledges more research is needed. >> fluoride is the one substance we add to our water, not meant

to address the quality of the water. >> reporter: county commissioner brian helms voted to remove fluoride. >> putting a substance that's meant for a medicinal type benefit into our water brings up a significant question about consent. >> reporter: major health organizations, including the cdc, the american dental association and the american academy of pediatrics support fluoride in drinking water. it's been rejected by dozens of communities throughout the u.s. in recent years. with activists determined to press further. >> the public is starting to become more aware and less blindly trusting of authorities. >> it's your goal to remove fluoride from public water sources nationwide. >> absolutely. yes. >> reporter: leaving parents like abby smith increasingly worried about the long-term impact of her tap water. >> it definitely will mean more avid teeth brushing and just keeping up on dentist appointments. >> reporter: erin mclaughlin.

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