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days from the election. today in a new york city courtroom, the judge got tough with donald trump about the gag order in the election interference trial. he find him another thousand bucks and threatened he would throw him in jail if there are more violations. today continue with testimony about how the money specifically flowed from donald trump to michael cohen. donald trump, facing a threat of jail time after his 10th violation of the gag order. the judge directly addressing the possibility of putting them behind bars over future violations. the magnitude of such a decision is not lost on me. you are the former president of

the united states and possibly the next president as well. adding as much as i do not want to impose a jail section, i will if necessary in the opiate. >> the constitution is much more important than jail. it's not even close. >> reporter: the judge fining him an additional $1000 after complaining about the jury. the judge said the former president wrongfully called into question the integrity of the jury. mr. trump pleaded not guilty to low-level felony charges for allegedly disguising reimbursements to michael cohen for hush money payments to stormy daniels as legal expenses. if convicted, he could face anywhere from four years to just probation. taking the stand, jeffrey mccarney. testifying about invoices, describing

reimbursements as legal expense, saying he was ordered to reimburse:$420,000 for the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. on cross examination he said he had not spoken directly to mr. trump about the records. another employee testifying about his process of signing checks, including two michael cohen. saying if you didn't want to sign it, he didn't sign it. it was signed in sharpie and black and that is what he uses. >> the staff writer from the atlantic is here. hugo lowell joins us, political investigations reporter and this guy has been in the courtroom day in and out. and former prosecutor charles coleman joins us.

hugo because you were in the room or at least in the courthouse, what stuck out q when you saw the judge look squarely at donald trump and schooled him like a schoolboy for violating the gag order, what was that like connect >> it is surreal when you see judges school dependence. it was very clear to say if you continue to violate the order, we are going to consider putting you in jail. it couldn't have been set in any more clear terms. the looks on -- were not pretty. the trial it was also significant. we had gone into testimony that moved the case on. i wanted to stay with the morning and the gag order. the judge looked at him and

said if you do that again, he knows he will violating him. is it that big of a threat? >> it is. you still have to consider that to go. donald trump doesn't have a lot of leeway. it is important that it is laid out this way. once you cross the threshold you don't go back. want to say i'm putting you in jail, every other offenses jail or more drill. the judge has thought carefully about how this will land and how disruptive it could be and starting to give as many warnings as possible so once the threshold has been crossed, there is no excuse.

>> the judge laid it out. he acknowledged what he called the magnitude of jailing a former and possibly future president. what was your reaction? i recognize the impact. >> that was what struck me. i cover politics in the country. when you look at the polls around the trial, they are more or less what you would expect. half the country thinks trump did something illegal and the other half doesn't think he did. have said the trial is fair and the other half said it is not. the most important number is the poll last week, it found that 55% of americans are not following the trial. what could change that, more than anything else? a jail

sanction. it is remarkable that we are in a presidential election year most of the country is not paying attention to a criminal trial for one of the major nominees. that would all change in unpredictable ways. the judge was acknowledging that. he understands that it would be a seismic event and american political history. i don't think anybody that tells you they know how it will play out or about the consequences is telling the truth. it would be a momentous thing. i don't think the judge would make decisions based on the politics but he must be aware that the world is watching and it will be a historic moment if you put the major party nominee in jail, even if just for a few

hours. >> i am not sure if i believe half the country doesn't believe he did anything wrong. a lot of them know he did that they just don't care. >> it could be rikers or it could be a holding cell in the courtroom. i have never seen it but in my mind it is like the naughty room at church where the crying babies have to go. >> he would be put in the back and will be by himself for a specified amount of time. that is the type of escalation. i don't know at the first time he takes this step that he is putting them on a bus and sending him to rikers. i also think it is important -- >> would he wear a jumpsuit? >> it would depend on how long he is there.

he would have secret service with him. prosecutors still haven't asked for that is a penalty. they also understand that they could be asked to offer recommendation which puts them in a difficult position of do we want to ask for what we would for any other defendant or something lighter? how will it make us look. everybody is trying to answer the question which is once we get to the point that jail is involved, what does it mean? that is where he will sit for a few hours. than increased time until we get to the point. >> if you were the team, would you be afraid he would come for you? >> he was audited three times.

>> that calculation has been done. you have to have made that decision and be all in. if you decide to bring the case back before you go in front of the grand jury, you know what the implications are. you are clearly aware of how popular he is and how insane followers are in the extent to which they go to to protect and support this man. and what he will do to stoke fears and keep the fire fanned. by the time you have even brought the indictment, you know what you are up against and he made that decision. two former trump employees and they weren't low-level. these were longtime strategic partners. >> jeffrey mccarney was the x controller. he was on the 26th

floor which is where trump had his office. the kids were below. to give you an idea of how inside he is, it is a small family business. he was directly involved in facilitating the repayment scheme. he basically ran through two big things. one was explaining the handwriting on the bank statement. from michael collins shell company that he used it to pay stormy daniels lawyer. if you only had michael cohen, you don't know what it said. when he said it, there is a

degree of credibility that i don't think any other witness could bring. ted two times for tax. this is fascinating. he is basically saying that these expenses were -- and the prosecutors listed this key piece of testimony. have they ever seen anything like this? hearing all of that and learning about it only underscores the criminality. donald trump made his career by saying he is not a politician he is a real businessman with business experience. he could run the country like the trump organization. at this point, he's going to

have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in civil fraud. we know that key witnesses, michael cohen was the vp before he spent two years in jail for tax evasion and other crimes. and his former cfo is now in jail for the second time with all of the conduct tied to what he did. is there anything left of that business reputation? >> i don't think so. i have to admit, i have always been skeptical of hard-core supporters that say they support him because they want a president who is ceo. there are a lot of people that feel that way. i have heard that for decades. >> those are people that

supported mitt romney, an actual successful businessman. >> what donald trump is actually doing, if there is anyone left that is thinking of him as a great businessman, if they are paying attention and to all the investigations, they will see the fagade. setting that aside, what he is doing is setting himself up as a martyr. this is what he has always done so well is saying the people that are coming after me are really coming after you. the prosecutors were hounding me. really because they want to get to you. you even saw him today and his comments, he said i am willing to sacrifice myself for the sake of the constitution. he is acting like he is the man standing between extremely political and nefarious forces.

and the american people. that is the signal he is sending. i don't think anybody could sincerely believe he is a genius businessman. >> quick question charles, in the testimony, he said most of the money used to repave michael cohen came from trumps personal account, not business. how significant is that? >> extremely. and has had the reign of michael cohen at the center of everything and donald trump has been separated as much as they can. they would love to -- the situation where they could say michael cohen did in his own volition. the significance of the testimony that it came from donald trump's account where donald trump was the one that

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it's a beautiful... ...day to fly. wooooo! we are following the developing story out of the middle east. hamas announced they accepted the cease-fire proposal. israel said the two parties are far apart tonight, they are celebrating salvation after hamas announced that it accepted a sweeping cease-fire. it seems they are celebrating too soon. israel said there is no deal that the terms are far from

necessary requirements and are not the original offer on the table. they are dispatching a delegation to negotiate while the war cabinet has unanimously proved a targeted operation in the southern city of rafah. >> there has been a response. we are currently reviewing the response. >> a senior negotiator directly involved tells nbc that hamas's position has shifted greatly over 48 hours and the deal would see it free 33 hostages in exchange for a 40 day cease- fire, followed by further releases and the freeing of more than 1000 prisoners held in israeli jails. with it's real, not at the recent negotiations, hamas

agreed to its own terms, using its own interpretation. israel believes 93 hostages are still alive and many are being held in rafah. the only remaining city where israel hasn't conducted major operations. israel this morning ordered roughly 100,000 palestinians to evacuate, using leaflets to announce the intense counterterrorism operations are about to begin. president biden opposes the assault because it is packed with more than 1 million civilians. let's bring in the former chief of staff at the cia and pentagon and former editor-in- chief of the jerusalem post. now a senior fellow at the jewish people policy institute and author of three books on the ill israeli military.

>> it has been a consequential couple of days. israel dropped demand that more than 40 hostages be released and they would be willing to accept 33, including a mix of living hostages and the remains of those that have been killed. that was a major concession. the ball was then in hamas's court. we heard that from secretary blanca and another official's. it took several days for the head of hamas living in the tunnels to give response. what we heard today was yes but may be. not exactly in agreement to the conditions but some sense that they wanted to move forward. israel has responded not with a full-scale invasion but a limited and targeted operation on the outskirts to establish a security cord to cut off the flow of goods that have been

going in and resupplying leaders at the border crossing. they are holding back until they understand what the response is. >> what is your reaction to the development? >> people wanted them back. the vast majority or the public at least once to prioritize the return. you also get that sense from the government, even though there is that tough talk about the need for an offensive. the question the government is going to deal with is at what point is it willing to compromise? we saw on the announcement, they want a complete and to the war. that is something the government can't give. they are willing to say yes but only then go into rafah if we deem it necessary. we can't agree to call it an

end to the war in its entirety. that is where we will hit a sticking point. the government is sending that delegation to continue negotiations. we are seeing that limited operation along what is known as the philadelphia court or. that is land between gaza and egypt were we know hamas still has a series of tunnels that is used up until recently to still smuggle advanced weaponry into the strip. this is not just about the military purpose but also it puts pressure on hamas in the world to so they are serious. >> what kind of pressure does all of this put on benjamin netanyahu? >> he is in a tough spot. on one hand, if he is seen internally or domestically as the guy who is torpedoing or scuttling that deal, i would argue unprecedented riots and protests on the streets.

we are already seeing a trickle, mostly led by hostage families. you will see a lot more people in the streets if it seems like he is the one that stopped that the all. on the other hand, if he goes ahead with the deal, he has two parties that have told them, you don't go in, we are pulling out of the government and then he loses the coalition. he is weekend and bleeding still from the aftermath of the october 7 massacre. he really has to try to thread a needle and make a balancing act that retains his government, gets back hostages, and source security interest by saying we are going to operate there later not a simple test for anyone. >> explain this. the united states halted the shipment of weapons to israel,

as they are preparing for ground operation. officials have said the move does not signal any shift in policy. what do you think? >> a lot of the shipments have been years in the making. they are essentially orders that were placed many years ago with a constant flow of aid and weapons that go to our principal ally. the administration is carefully reviewing how much munitions they want to be used. don't forget, israel is always facing a threat on the northern border. they sustained 320 munitions two weeks ago which the u.s. and the coalition helped defend. israel is under attack from multiple angles. the last thing the u.s. wants to do is telegraph that the u.s. is breaking with israel. that wouldst potentially spark a wider war. there are five americans still being held hostage in gaza that

we believe are alive, including -- the two americans that appeared last week in those videos. is a major imperative to put pressure on egypt and carter. let those people go free back to families. hostages have been in captivity for 200 days. it is time may be reunited. >> the idea of conducting strikes on targets in eastern rafah, what can we expect? >> israel dropped both leaflets to 100,000 people all. the americans have long been arguing, you should do it in a more precision strike capacity. it seems that is what israel is doing.

it is not the offensive everyone has long been waiting for but it is on the one hand meant to show israel is serious and the intention is to operate inside rafah. they are sending more of a message right now to hamas to the egyptians and to washington and even despite the warnings, we saw them also from the uk and france. the president had a phone call with the prime minister to warn him against the consequences. israel is basically communicating. we are not going to give up on the right to continue to take down hamas. there are 15,000 fighters that are still in rafah. two days ago they fired rockets and mortars killing four israeli soldiers. the thought the threat is gone is not the case. israel has to continue to weaken infrastructure.

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to dangerous rhetoric. this weekend he took it to a whole other level. during a speech he compared the biden white house to the gestapo police force in germany. the white house was quick to condemn the comments calling it the rhetoric of fascists. for more, let's bring in sam stein, veteran journalist and white house editor and michael -- , former chairman of the republican national committee. he cohost the weekend right here on msnbc. michael this is not the first time donald trump is used language like this. in some ways , i menotti, know you are the . what is he doing this for? >> it is his form of projection. he has heard a lot of folks refer to his rhetoric and behavior in those terms. he is just throwing it back. it is what little boys do in

the schoolyard. behind it, a level of seriousness too. what donald trump i think is starting to do and we will see and hear more is set up what will ultimately be the fascist form of politics that he wants to play with, going into the game of the campaign. we should be prepared to hear more. he did this with the donors that it will get louder and become more forceful, more pointed and directed at biden and people in the administration as a way to remind voters, what is at stake.

>> there were big donors but the right wing all-stars were not. these are loyalists to the 10th degree. it has been reported that he is mad at marjorie taylor green. >> should be gloss over your mama wears combat boots line? >> if he said that in brooklyn, those are the coolest mom's out there. >> the reports that he is mad at her are valid. he is also no dummy. he recognizes that any sort of chaos if they were go through a motion to vacate which she wants to do, reminding of the

chaotic party is not good for him and fundamentally, his bottom line is what is good for him. what he wants is to have a stable party heading into the season. he doesn't want chaos. he wants the focus to be on biden and to a degree he can make it about that for him. >> the combat boots with icing on the cake. it was an unexpected treat. here's why i wanted you to join us. the former lieutenant governor, in an op-ed, jeff duncan, has a piece where he said he is voting for joe biden and he wants other republicans to join him. he writes quote, the gop will never rebuild until we move on from the trump era.

unlike trump, i have belonged to the gop my entire life. this november i am voting for a decent person that i disagree with on policy over a criminal defendant without a moral compass. georgia is a crucial purple state. is duncan a republican with enough influence to get people to listen? >> i believe so. he served well. everything that i have been able to gauge, people liked him. he did a good job as lieutenant governor. he is known in the state and a former baseball player and athlete. he has a gravitas with voters and people in the state that can be useful in helping to create the permission structure for republicans and center- right independent voters that otherwise may lean toward trump

because going back to mom, she would be mad if i voted for a democrat. there are a lot of efforts underway. i applaud the lieutenant governor for taking a bold stance and helping to create that structure to say it is okay. we are facing a clear choice between a decent man who has his shortcomings but one of them is not wanting to be a dictator were wanting to create concentration camps in texas and not trying to tear up the constitution and one of them is not blaming everybody else for his failings. the more you can create that structure, the more republicans that are out there voicing that opinion that it's okay to do that.

the more you will see those numbers move. in a state like georgia that will matter. georgia will be in play for both republicans and democrats. i applaud the lieutenant governor and welcome him to the ranks of those of us that are going to vote for a decent man as opposed to a want to be dictator. and keep the country from falling into decline. >> he doesn't just talk about who he will vote for, he calls out big-name republicans saying their choice to support trump is dead wrong. why is it that duncan sees the light and why it doesn't make sense and the other republicans, despite trump dumping on them, even after saying they are going to vote for him, why are they. >> it is a good question. it was an interesting study. he was campaigning for nikki

haley in making the case that it was chaos. it would almost be irresponsible. is the people around biden were more radical. it is an unconventional reason to support a candidate. i don't know why he has calculated this. to michael's point, i don't think georgia voters are going say therefore i should too but he does give the permission structure. he needs more republican thing it is okay to break with the party in this instance. thank you so much for joining.

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are facing a challenge. how do we cover this moment in history. no one has gotten more criticism than the new york times, calling out the paper seems like one of the only things the left and right can't agree on. my next guest sat down with the top editor to respond to those that said the times is getting it wrong. i want to welcome ben smith. cofounder and editor-in-chief. his book, traffic, genius rivalry and the dilution in the race to go viral is out on paper back tomorrow. talk to us about why it is important now to speak to the new york times top editor? >> particularly readers that tend to be democrats and people that are nervous, feel panic that the media is screwing up.

been kind of covering this with the urgency and catastrophe that they feel. is when the times feel it is going in the opposite direction. he thinks the times went too far . and a sense that they were part of an anti-trump movement in trying to regain independence. is a moment when they are running in the opposite direction. >> right and wrong are two things. you asked if an alien were to read the times, hopefully they would think what i do that wordle is the best part. what would they take away? >> with they think he was doing a good job and he said he thought the alien would read the paper it's a biden was doing a good job on foreign- policy. >> that is it. you also asked about ivy league

grads. this is what i thought was interesting. he gave you an answer that was something like i would want them to know the times isn't a safe space. that was almost a thin veiled way to say no more crybabies. >> i think he and the publisher spent the last year trying to make that point strongly. a bit of a thumb in the eye. than a sense that the times doesn't by that generation of politics in that language. thing is kind of like gen x retaking control. >> put the new york times aside, how difficult is it for everyone to cover this moment. we weren't even ready for the life that we are combating. the problem now, we are desensitized. >> there is a question of what

can the media do? then to turn that ship around. if people figured out what was going on if we had fact check and if people could see through what was happening, they would turn it around. there is now the recognition. there is a limit to the notion that the times will change the outcome. >> it is up to us to tell the truth every day. >> the thing -- is wrestling with, is the point if you see yourself as trying to stop donald trump or save democracy.

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