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cease-fire talks. as donald trump prepares to return to court, a little over" lol" from s&l. dramatic he wrote a message on a post-it note and handed it to his lawyer were making an argument. it simply said "can't pay you." i am jonathan capehart, this is "the sunday show". we are exactly six months away from election day, and the alarm bells over donald trump's unhinged behavior and authoritarian tendencies are louder than ever. yesterday in a donor retreat, the four times indicted on 40 count former president and presumptive republican nominee for president called special

counsel jack smith "deranged -- and evil thug." he compared the biden administration to the secret police force of nazi germany, saying "these people are running a gestapo administration ." we are getting a clear picture of what he plans to deal if he wins a second stint in the white house, this time in his own words, revealing interviews time magazine and the milwaukee journal sentinel, trump laid out a vision for the country which includes a jacobian approach to immigration. he told time that he is willing to "build migrant detention camps and apply the u.s. military at the border and inland." it's part of the deportation operation where he would "rely mostly on the national guard to round up and remove undocumented migrants throughout the country. " he added, "if they were able to, i would then use other

parts of the military." trump will not stop there. donald trump wants to send the national guard into "cities struggling with crime even without the request of governors," and wants to ensure that local officials play by his rules by approving "justice department grants only to cities that adopt his preferred policies like stop and frisk." trump and his teflon order talk takes a term -- turn when it comes to january 6th, and the people he calls patriots. he doubled down on the pledge department every writer convicted but here's the thing. trump can only do any of that if he wins. so, what if he loses the november election? he's already making clear that he may not accept the result or bow out peacefully. he told the milwaukee journal

sentinel "if everything is honest, i will gladly accept the results. if it's not, you have to fight for the right of the country." honest is doing a lot of work. we know all too well where this kind of chilling talk can lead. we have literally seen this movie before, on january 6th, when a violent mob instigated by trump, sore about losing the 2020 presidential election to joe biden, stormed the capital in an attempt to overthrow the results of that free and fair election. we have never seen anything like that. the losing candidate, especially an incumbent president, accepted the will of the people, it not trump, not ben, and not now. trump is telling us what he plans to do, win or lose, and if past is prologue, we should take what trump says seriously. as time magazine points out, "

every election is billed as a national turning point. this time, that rings true. to supporters, the prospect of trump 2.0, unconstrained and backed by a movement of true believers, offers revolutionary promise. too much of the rest of the nation and the world, it represents an alarming risk." joining me now is congressman garcia of california, a member of the house oversight committee and the homeland security committee and congresswoman watters of california, ranking member of the financial services committee. thank you for joining us for "the sunday show". congressman garcia, i will go to you. trump said "if everything is honest, i would gladly accept the results, if not, you have to fight for the right of the country. " why should we take that seriously? >> we know that trump believes

in his heart that he has an army of maga extreme far right folks in congress and across the country and he has derangement about hurting people, hurting democracy, sending them off to attack, wanting to round up migrants across the country, we should absolutely take him at his word. we saw that he tried to do horrible things across this country in his last term. a lot of folks say they didn't know what to expect but we cannot say that, this time. we know what he will do and he must be stopped. >> congressman waters, what's your reaction to trump saying if everything is honest, everything is above board, he will gladly accept the results, but if not? >> you can't trust anything donald trump has to say, no matter if he loses, he will say it was fraud. he still has not

accepted what happened in the last presidential election, and so, we have to be very concerned about a former president of the united states talking about attacking his own country, talking about perhaps a bloodbath, talking about perhaps , there will be trouble. he has said in so many different ways and we should take him seriously. this man does not believe in the constitution. he wants to be a dictator. this is a dangerous human being and we have to know what our country is going to do to protect us from him. >> you could keep going, this whole hour, congresswoman, but picking of the constitution, trump says in that interview that he would not seek to overturn or ignore the constitution's prohibition on a third term. should the american people believe that?

do you? >> absolutely not. you cannot believe anything donald trump has to say. donald trump will do any and everything that he can possibly get away with. he does not, at all, support the constitution of the united states of america. this is a man who we had better be careful about and i will tell you what i am going to do. i will ask the justice department and i will ask the president to tell us what they are going to do to protect this country against violence if he loses. i want to know about the right- wing organizations he is connected with who are training in the hills somewhere, and targeting what communities they are going to attack. we need to know now, given that he is telling us that there will be violence if he loses. we need to know what his plan is and how we will be protected. >> one of the things we know,

especially from the time magazine profile of trump that it points out that there are four separate entities including the heritage foundation project 25 that are working behind the scenes to create a government in waiting, complete with trump loyalist and day one plans to uproot whatever guardrails remain against presidential overreach. please explain why that's not hyperbole, this is real. >> this is dangerous and i think that what they are preparing to destroy our democracy, the way we have elections in this country, and the congresswoman is correct. make no mistake and let's be clear, if donald trump gets re- elected, there is no doubt that he will try to stay in office beyond his term. he will destroy this country, our democracy, he will change the way we run elections and attack secretaries of state and everything you can to stay in office. the country we know of today,

we will no longer have. it is sobering and scary and we have to take it seriously. this is a person we have to take in his word. we must do everything we can between now and the election to strengthen, support election officials, ask the justice department to be prepared and re-elect president biden. >> congresswoman watters, in the minute we have left, donald trump said that he intends to pursue policies that would address what he calls "a definite antiwhite feeling in this country," which he says " cannot be allowed." given a tax on affirmative action, di, and the grab bag of grievance that critical race theory has become, will that narrative work with the american people at the ballot box in november? >> one of the things we better know, is we cannot chance that it will not work. we know that there are people

aligned with him, follow him, and are already practicing what their government is going to be, under trump. not only are they planning on civil war if they have to do that, but he is spelling it out, specifically, how and what they are going to do and how he will get revenge, how he will attack his enemies, all of these things, and when he talks about race, we know, and i will tell you again today, donald trump is a pure racist and i am worried that the attack is going to be on people of color. >> we have to leave this part just when it's getting hot. congresswoman watters will stick around, congressman garcia, thank you for joining us for "the sunday show". joining me not to continue this conversation is the former d.c. metropolitan police officer

, coverage for america councilmember, and author of "hold the line, was quote the insurrection and one cup battle for america's soul. as always, officer, thank you for joining us for "the sunday show". donald trump has repeatedly pledged to pardon insurrectionist and that could include the man who attacked you with a stun gun. what do you think of that? >> i think it is sickening. the idea that a president to or presidential candidate in the united states of america will align himself with individuals who assaulted police officers who were simply doing their job , like myself, on january 6th, 2021 at united states capital. >> some are still downplaying what happened, including republicans who were there. listen to what senator vance

said on wednesday. >> i am extremely skeptical that mike pence was ever in danger. i think politics and politics people like to exaggerate. >> i think mike pence would disagree. >> a lot of folks act as if that was the scariest moment of their lives. look, january 6th was a bad day, it was a riot, but the idea that donald trump endangered anyone when he told them to protest peacefully is absurd. >> why are he and others continuously trying to rewrite the history of that day? >> because it does not serve their own interest and the interest of their political party, the republican party. listen, i understand how inconvenient it is for people like jd vance and other republican to admit that it was their leader, former president trump, who inspired and incited

an insurrection on january 6, at united states capital in an attempt to subvert democracy and hold onto power. that being said, that's the reality. this is not a policy debate. this is a debate as to the reality of a day inspired by republican leader, carried out by his supporters, in an act of extreme violence, brutal violence, against police officers. >> officer, when asked in that time magazine interview about the prospect of political violence regarding the outcome of the election, trump said, "it depends. it always depends on the fairness of an election." is that an invitation to his supporters to carry out another

january 6, do you think? >> absolutely. everything in that article was exactly what i have come to expect from the former president. his statements are in his own self interest, not what is best for this country, and they are sick. the idea that he would refuse to commit to the peaceful transfer of power, one of the most basic, fundamental principles, in adhering to the u.s. constitution, that he refuses to do that. we all know why. in his mind, elections are honest if he wins them and dishonest or rigged if he loses, but 60+ in the previous election told us that this was an honest

and fair election and that donald trump lost and joe biden is our president. >> with that, we believe it there. former metropolitan d.c. police officer, as always, thank you for joining us for "the sunday show". >> good to see you. coming up, cease-fire talks, the latest developments in negotiations aimed at stopping the israel-hamas war bid ambassador ross joins me to discuss, plus, donald trump faces a third week of witness testimony in his criminal has money election interference trial in new york. the new york times reporter covering the trial will be here to take us inside the courtroom and the case. don't go anywhere, you are watching "the sunday show". (ella) we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (jen) that's enterprise intelligence.

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more than 34,000 palestinians and displaced more than 2 million and includes calls for a cease-fire. meanwhile, in the reporting, the biden administration stopped a shipment last week of u.s.-made ammunition meant for israel and it's the first time the u.s. adopt a shipment to israel since the attack by hamas and the arduous road to cease- fire remains rocky. the current round of negotiations in cairo wrapped up earlier today with negotiators leaving town to consult with leadership, but not before reiterating the demand that israel and attacks in gaza for the release of the remaining hostages, something that the prime minister has ruled out. we also have confirmed that cia director william burns plans to travel to israel from the capital of qatar tomorrow for

more negotiations. joining me now, the former ambassador, dennis ross, a former middle east envoy and msnbc foreign affairs analyst. ambassador, thank you for joining us for "the sunday show". what do you think the chances are that israel and hamas could still agree to a cease-fire deal? >> there is still a possibility that there will be a deal, though i've been hesitant to be optimistic. ultimately, the deal depends on the leader of hamas in gaza. it's a political faction, and no one has been a good predictor of what his decisions are likely to be, from the beginning of this. it's not clear to me that he

feels it's in his interest to do it, at this moment. i think that we are still in a position where unless he makes the decision that it is in his interest to do a deal, we are not likely to see one. it's true that over the course of the weekend, benjamin netanyahu made strong statements about how this is the deal that is favored, permanent cease-fire, because he's also addressing pressure from the right-wing coalition and two ministers said they would basically pull out if he went ahead with the deal with the terms on the table and he has tried to suggest that he is not simply going to cave. i think we have a couple kinds of vectors that don't necessarily favor producing a deal right now, but i would not entirely counted out because i think it's hard for benjamin netanyahu not to accept a deal if, in fact, they are prepared to go for one. >> so, on that note, the new

york times reports or has reported that israeli officials are considering an agreement where they would share oversight of the gaza strip with the u.s. and a group of arab countries including egypt and saudi arabia and israel would agree to this in exchange for normalizing relations with saudi arabia. given what you've just said, what are the prost backs of agreement like that? >> there are several different layers. the normalization deal depends upon there being a palestinian component. the palestinian component, they could say that it's part of normalizing with israel and getting defense from the united states, there's going to be a pathway toward a palestinian state that looks different from anything we've seen before, different than the process, different than the negotiations

i was part of. i don't know how close we are to something like that. that is one layer. the other layer is arab states, egypt, the united arab emirates, morocco, coming in on the ground, in effect, to represent the transitional administration and in a sense, manage gaza until you have a reformed authority take its place after some period of time. that looks like a very and deal outcome, because israel leaves, arab states take their place, and there will be a replacement overtime so we have an alternate to hamas. it looks like the pathway you'd like to see and the problem is two fold. israel, even not benjamin netanyahu, want to reserve the right to be able to go after pockets of hamas if they begin

to reapproach. i'm not sure that arab states are going to accept being in a position where they would be in gaza and israel could come in and out of gaza so i think that is a question. the second is united arab emirates being prepared to play this role, but we need a bridge to a different future and that depends on reform to the palestinian authority and we are not at this point thing anything that demonstrates reform. >> we are out of time but i cannot have you here and not ask about this reporting which has confirmed that house speaker johnson and senate majority leader schumer will soon invite prime minister benjamin netanyahu to address a joint session of congress. what you think is behind this strategy? >> i understood when he spoke in 2015, with the aim was and the purpose was. i would guess

that they're trying to demonstrate that there is a strong relationship or support for israel and it's one of those things that we have to see if it materializes or not but it does seem strange in the current setting especially given some of the issues related to israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. >> i'm glad i asked because that confirms to me, i'm not quite understanding what's going on with that invitation. ambassador, thank you for joining us for "the sunday show". coming up, trump on trial, the alleged gag order violations that he could still be punished for and another week of witness testimony, and when can we expect michael cohen to take the stand? reporters covering the trial will join me next. rotects. only shingrix is proven over 90% effective. shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older.

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election interference trial continues tomorrow. drummers denied the charges but could face jail time if he continues to lash out at witnesses in violation of a gag order. judge merchan has find trump $9000 for " willfully disobeying the order," adding that he would have chosen a higher dollar amount if the law allowed. trump paid the fine and took down some post, the judge merchan could announce more penalties any day. the judges yet to rule on four of the alleged gag order violations including calling his former fixer a liar and accusing the jury as being "95% democrat." judge merchan made clear that he is not playing around warning, "jail may be a necessary punishment." joining me now is reporter and attorney, covering the trial for the new york times.

thank you for joining us for "the sunday show". prosecutors said that they do not want trump jailed for violating the order, so why is the judge making that threat? >> the timing of this is interesting because these four new violations that the judge is considering right now actually happened before this decision was issued so in a sense, prosecutors are saying that at the point of time trump made the statements, he did not have the judges decision to help guide him so really i think that's leaving the prosecutors to say that we are not currently seeking jail time but if this behavior continues and we see it going further, jail time could be a possibility. >> so when do you think we could see judge merchan rule on those remaining four gag order violations? >> as early as tomorrow morning

. last time we got a decision with little warning and it happened at the beginning of the day when the jury came in and it couldn't -- could happen tomorrow. as of right now, the $9000 punishment is out there, it's been paid, but i think that judge merchan likely wants to send the message that that behavior is not acceptable. >> speaking of the courtroom, you were in their during hope hicks's testimony. how did trump react? >> it was interesting to watch. i was in the overflow room for testimony which has an even better view of trump, front facing view and we can see him at the table and he watched her in the moment she walked in, up to the witness stand and he watched the first part of her testimony, he watched her on a monitor in the courtroom and he seemed the most involved and engaged with the proceedings that i've seen him during this

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who are part of the inner circle, part of this larger scale testify and prosecutors break up testimony by calling someone like a records custodian to talk about the authenticity of evidence, which is possibly a palate cleanser to allow the jury time to recover after what has been a broad and encompassing testimony. that's likely to happen and we could see some other big witnesses, even as soon as tomorrow and later in the week. >> all right, thank you for joining us for "the sunday show". next, it's that time again. the sound off with my panel, reacting to the latest news. we will hear what senator tim scott would kristen welker asked him if he would commit to accepting election results. you can probably guess the answer, after the break. break.

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senator, will you commit to accepting election results of 2024, bottom line? >> at the end of the day, the 47th president of the united states will be president donald trump and i'm excited to get back to low-inflation, low unemployment -- >> yes or no, will you accept the election results of 2024 no matter who wins? >> that is my statement.

>> that was south carolina senator, tim scott, dodging questions about whether or not he would accept the results of the 2024 election and it's worth noting the kristen welker asked that question six times and senator scott never gave a straight answer. congresswoman waters is back with us along with rick wilson, former republican strategist and cofounder of the lincoln project and author of the book, "running against the devil, a plot to save america from trump and democrats from themselves." we also have a political writer at the los angeles times. thank you for joining us. so, put everybody up so i can see who's next to me on screen. okay, rick. you're at the top of the brady bunch boxes, what's your reaction? >> on the one hand, i am not shocked by anything he would do to kiss trump's large, orange plus theory her.

this guy showed you he has no integrity, no honor, no honesty, no ability to lead or stand up for himself or anyone else and is so desperate to be trump swingman that he's pre- lying about the election that hasn't happened. i would get it if he said, oh, trump, but he's lying in advance and it's astounding. this is a guy with low character which this assessment puts him pretty high in vp stakes. >> that is what comes to mind for me. he won't answer the question in the way he should and knows he should because he wants to be vp. >> absolutely. he has demonstrated throughout the time he has been in the senate, and since he lost his election that he is nothing but someone that will do whatever

trump wants him to do. he's a friend of him, he loves them, i don't know what it's about except to say he's not his own man and can be trusted. he has no courage and we can't count on him to tell the truth and he will never answer because he's afraid of trump, if he says he would not vote, that he wouldn't accept the outcome. he has no courage. >> i want to bring someone else into the conversation who is reportedly on the shortlist to be vice presidents, north dakota governor bergen. here is what he said on the cnn state of the union. listen to what he has to say about what it would mean if donald trump were convicted. >> let me ask you, if donald trump becomes a convicted felon because of this case, will that

affect your support for him for president? >> if he becomes a convicted felon in this case, that is a travesty of justice because as i said it, when you've got a business filing error for something that was, again, it's not illegal to pay people for nondisclosure agreements. >> it's a little bit bigger than a business filing error. what's he up to? >> with both cases, two men who see themselves as running mates and you have a broad issue of the republican party being the party of trump and if they want to remain in favor with voters in their respective states, in their party, if the break from trump that could cause problems down the line. >> let's talk about someone else in the vice presidential sweepstakes. let's go to south dakota where

governor christie -- governor kristi noem is catching a lot for something she wrote in her own book. watch her interview on "face the nation." >> are you doing this to try to look tough? do you still think you have a shot at being vp? >> number one, joe biden's dog has attacked 24 secret service people, so how many people is enough to be attacked and dangerously hurt before you make a decision on a dog? >> he's not living at the white house anymore. >> that is something the president should be accountable to. >> are you saying he should be shot? >> this is trying to justify puppy murder. >> she's an example, when she got in the bottom of this, she didn't keep digging, she

ordered high-powered drilling equipment to keep digging further. it's been -- it is beyond parody, beyond insanity, you had six separate sources telling politico that the party only needs one crazy person at a time. donald trump, but kristi noem will keep pushing. the rest are just as absurd about the things about the dog. i, this is a woman who has gotten so caught up that she cannot stop and is being empowered to go on television and it's amazing to watch this flaming train wreck. >> you know, i am so glad you brought up north korea, but if you have not seen that part, go on the internet, type in, "kristi noem, kim jong-un."

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mike pennel is back with me -- my panel is back with me. we've been having a conversation that, senator bernie sanders started by saying that what's happening with the pro-palestinian demonstrations and encampments could lead to president biden vietnam. listen to him and the response from the biden campaign. >> i am thinking back and for people making this reference, that this may be biden's vietnam . lyndon johnson, in many respects, was a very good

president, domestically, he offered major pieces of legislation and chose not to run a '68 because of opposition to his views on vietnam. >> comparing it to vietnam is an over exaggeration. this is a different circumstance and i think that people who actually lived through that difficult time would say that this is not comparable but that's not to say that this is not a serious matter. >> is this comparable? does senator sanders have a point or is he exaggerating? >> we better listen to the young people of this country. i worked very hard getting rid of apartheid in south africa and i can recall when they organized on campuses and they have to move that issue. we cannot ignore them and we cannot ignore bernie sanders. one thing we can say about him is that he has been true to his positions, we have understood very well what it means to pay

attention to the young people and he is not afraid to speak up, so let's not dismiss what he said. >> what do you think? >> the historical parallel is not apt point in vietnam there was a national draft and we lost 50,000 lives in vietnam. american soldiers fighting on the ground, there is no such parallel with that in the israel-hamas war right now, and i think that it does a disservice to the people who oppose vietnam in the '60s and those who sacrificed their lives to compare something that is a foreign power fighting a terrorist group that american troops are not involved in in the actual conflict but i think it's over exaggerated. >> in a couple minutes we have left, i want to bring up a polling statistic, you know how i feel about it, this is from abc. if you take a look, right there,

joe biden, among likely voters, 49%, donald trump, 45%, this is within the margin of error, but that is a four point lead for donald trump, sorry, for president biden, and joe biden won by 4.5 percentage points, so what do you make of this? >> is going back and forth, all year, but has always been close and i think we are several months out and that shows you how close this will be. yes, it's fun and interesting to talk about but we need to talk about pennsylvania, michigan, this will come down to a handful of states. >> in a minute we have left, i would add that we need to be looking at pulling out of florida, north carolina, and i have not written off georgia even though there is no marquee

race, thinking about the nominee for governor. what do you make of that latest poll? >> i believe that that is of likely voters and when you go to likely voters, that biden is ahead even if it's only by a small margin and i think that in the final analysis, with all the polling, that likely voters being pulled is where the win will be. i believe that. >> we are getting out on time, early, congresswoman waters, rick wilson, seema mehta, thank you for joining us for "the sunday show". we will be back with more of "the sunday show", right after this.

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