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campuses, terrible violence breaking out, buildings being taken over, police clashing with demonstrators. for two weeks i've been asking, where is president biden? why isn't he addressing this huge national crisis on television? i cannot fathom why he is not speaking out. when the white house says, oh, he's denounced all this, not. these are statements coming from a deputy press secretary. the next moshing under pressure from the media -- morning in an unscheduled event and at the last minute, the president finally found the words. >> destroying property is not a peaceful protest. it's against the law. vandalism, trespassing, breaking windows, shutting down campuses, forcing the cancellation of classes and graduations, there should be no place on any campus, no place in america for anti-semitism or threats of violence against jewish students. howard: that took place after donald trump addressed the protests in a fox interview after a full day in court and at a we've rally.

>> to every college president, i say remove the encampments immediately, vanquish the radicals and take back our campuses. biden should speak out. he should say something because nobody knows where he is. howard: bottom line, the campus clashes are fueling a sense that these are bastions of lawlessness. i'm howard kurtz and this is "mediabuzz." ♪ ♪ howard: at columbia, anti-israel protesters seized control of hamilton hall and refused to budge until the school's president finally, belatedly and much too late, called in the nypd. exactly 56 years after students occupied this same building in 1968. at ucla,down demonstrators clashed with pro-maas protesters, both sides armed with weapons and police eventually broke with up the el

legal encampment and made arrests in a predawn raid. there have been arrests everywhere from the university of north carolina-chapel hill to dartmouth, to the university of often aided by weak college leaders and abetted by the lure of television the cameras. and the cover coverage and commentary have cut across partisan lines. >> this is a situation where the protest movement has sided with an enemy, has sided with the terrorist organization. they want the destruction of the state of israel. >> this is people talking about genocide, screaming at them as they try to go to their english class on campus. >> remember on january 6th, smashing the window, right in. [laughter] they do it here and it's, like, do you want another pizza? >> this disruption amongst, on american campuses and crime that feeds into the broader narrative of america being out of control. howard: joining us now to be an his the coverage, mollie hemingway, editor-in-chief of the federalist and a fox news contributor, ask tim hogan,

democratic strategist who has worked for amy klobuchar. mollie, how could joe biden have stayed silent for two weeks except for a terse answer to a producer's shouts question as this became, by far, the biggest story in the television news and elsewhere? >> yes, he finally said manager if after weeks of this going on on campuses nationwide. but i think the problem is this is really the natural result of something that has taken root in the democrat party. you remember right of after 9/11 when president obama's pastor got in trouble for talking about the chickens coming home to roost? jeremiah wright was talking about support for palestinians in that moment. you know, four years ago we saw how nancy pelosi led her democrats in congress to kneel for the social justice issues that have really taken over the democrat party. so it's very difficult for president biden. he knows these things are very unpopular, but he also knows that they are present in his party to the point that you have members of congress that are

supporting these protests. howard: well, he has largely taken is some hits, tim, for mostly being on the side of israel in the way he's prosecuted the war. but what was so difficult about saying these words many i mean, can biden criticize anti-semitism without immediately following it with islamophobia, discrimination against arab-americans or pal if sin january-americans? i mean, those are bad things too. >> and he has. on april 21st he put out a statement -- howard: put out a statement, okay. i'm not buying the put out a statement thing -- >> and he answers the -- howard: only on, tim. i'm sorry, i'm not buying the put out a statement. if you want to have effect as president of the united states, you get in front of camera as -- >> which he has. owe biden's position on this is not the loud position. s it is that disisn't is a part of democracy, but disorder is not. that peaceful protest is okay but violent protest is not. it's not the loudest voice at this moment, and that is unfortunate. but he is heeding in this moment, and i think it is a contrast to what we've seen from

previous commanders in chief. i don't think president trump is the king of deescalation of protests here who sow chaos -- howard: look, i'm in favor of free peach and of peaceful protests, but that's not mostly what we're seeing. i'm a graduate of columbia journalism school, so i know this turf very well. mollie, how does the school's president allow this minority after an initial round of arrests to set up an even bigger tent encampment and refuse -- threaten suspensions but refuse to call in the nypd until they had taken over that building? >> because columbia university has spent decades building up this ideology within their own institution. and i do want to point out here too when we look a few years ago when president trump said there were good people who did not believe in tearing down statues, he was destroyed by corporate media and other democrats who were so upset that that he said that. and they didn't like -- even though he said it immediately, within hours of a horrible protest breaking out in

virginia, they demanded that he say things a is certain way over and over and over again. and here you have the immediate what just being like, oh, it's no big deal that president biden hasn't said anything here. again, these institutions have been taken over by this social justice ideology. that's what these children -- these students, they're not children -- are learning. and that's what they have been learning for a long time. and that's why when we we talk about these protests, we do have to talk about the lies that are at the root of these protests whether they're the lies that were told about during the blm if riots about what america is and what it means to be american or the lies about the nature of the conflict between israel and palestine. howard: well, in fairness i think it's some but with certainly not all have pointed out that the president was late to the game here, and there must have been some debate within the white house. but here's the thing, you also have the localization of these national stories. originally, it was columbia and nyu, and then it spread. that means huge headlines and tv coverage in each state, city,

county where this is taking place. has that created a sense that the country's out of control especially with the president's long delay in forcefully decan announcing it? >> to some degree, yes. if you send cameras to a protest, that is going to beget more coverage, and that's a little bit of what's happening. and i also think on the republican side you do see members of congress seasoning some opportunity here. like the president said, he doesn't want to score political points. mike johnson would rather play head of campus security at columbia so he can avoid being tortured by marjorie taylor greene -- howard: wait, wait, wait. mike johnson went to columbia, was heckled as he knew he would be to side with jewish students what's the problem with that? >> it's not that, it's not that he's wrong for siding with jewish student ises and joe biden has condemned the anti-semitism as well. i'm saying there's a political calculation for mike von isson to say i've got to get away from all of the problems i have in my own caucus. maybe if i go to columbia university -- >> and i do think a lot of americans wish they would have taken a stronger stand against

the anti-americanism of the riots of four years ago. and they do sense thises the natural proto depression of those blm riots, and they wish they'd e done more. colin kaepernick got a multimillion dollar contract when he kneeled for the national anthem, and they've seen that things have spiraled out of control and they are taking a stronger stance. howard: mollie e, is there a double standard when it comes to taking quick action to protect jewish students? we're to going to have some examples coming up. can you imagine this kind of paralysis if black students were being jeopardized, gay students were being jeopardized and all this hand-wringing about what's the definition of antisemithem? if it's really not that complicated. >> well, or we have seen in previous years campuses allow much hate against certain students while e dealing with other protected classes. it is also true that what we've seen against some of these jewish students is absolutely horrible. and even just seeing some of these imaging of how view students have had to fight to just be in public places on

campus, it's something that you really thought was more akin to other countries and that we with wouldn't -- howard: what do you mean by protected classes? >> well, like in previous years, for instance, during the blm riots you saw a lot of racism and hatred toward non-protected classes against protected classes. howard: okay. tim, what has this done to the reputation of these elite institutions that, i mabus disagree with this, but once widely respected and now we're often seeing them as paragones of cow war dis? >> they're in trouble right now. there needs to be a clear condemnation of anti-semitism that's happening on campus. howard: plus action. >> plus action. and it's clearing encampments, it's saying that breaking into a building and holding it is not a form of peaceful protest, it's not something that's protected. that students have to feel safe when they're on campus and able to go to class and ute utilize the facilities and learn. it is a moment for those leaders

to step up and make their voices clear. howard: yeah. except so many of them have gotten tongue-tied during this. well, got to be fair to everybody and, you know, it's not really clear and peaceful protests. i'm all for peaceful protests. what we're not seeing here is a lot of peaceful protests. when you take over a large chunk of the campus whether it's columbia university or not, you're breaking the rules. you're breaking the law. >> whether it's peaceful or not, again, the actual underlying issues need to be dealt with as well. a lot of what's happened on these campuses is teaching false if hoods about israel, about america, and we really need to get to the root of it. that's why i was bringing up nancy pelosi leading people the kneel in the nation's capitol. she was immediately responsive to the blm riots at that time. there has been not -- >> you can't draw a connection between those two. >> of course you can. >> i don't know how that -- >> it's a natural result of -- >> i will say some right-wingers see an opportunity to leverage a an attack against institutions

of higher learning. >> it is absolutely true that americans have been very upset at how institutions are taught hatred of america. i have found it so interesting that the in these protests you have the pro-gaza side -- >> but don't conflate -- >> -- students saying usa. it is very anti-american, what is going on. >> there are peaceful protesters on these college campuses who are concerned with the humanitarian problem in palestine -- howard: that's fine. >> that is what's concerning. howard: i'm concerned about the humanitarian crisis, but i don't think it is right. i think it is terrible, and i think police need to be called in, and i think the tide has turned on that when these kind of tack techs are used. and, by the way, some faculty members joining the protests which tells me where some of students are getting their views. when we come back, how the campus protests humiliated some students while others humiliated themselves, and a couple of columbia students are on deck.

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howard: the footage of violation on college campuses grabs the most attention, of course, but sometimes it's the smaller moments or humiliation or confrontation that captures problems such as at a ucla. >> i'm a student who deserves to go here. we pay tuition, this is our school, and they're not letting me walk many. my class is -- you guys are promoting aggression. you guys are promoting hate. howard: what you can't see is a security guard right there doing nothing to let this student go to a class. and, mollie, this is the why i'm appalled when i read that the protesters are just chanting or in a new york times story that some screw-americans have raised concerns -- jewish americans have raised concerns about anti-semitism.

you don't have to be jewish to worry about the spread of poisonous if violence and anti-semitism. >> not at all. i don't think people look at this as cop veptionally violent, to restrict students, but this is illicit. this is not okay to tell students who have ever right to all a parts of campus that they cannot if travel in certain places if they're jewish. it sounds absurd that you have to even say it. and it wasn't just ucla. you saw it at mit and other schools where security guards are just not doing much, the police aren't doing much. and when you don't do much, of course, that makes the risk of greater violence. howard: yeah. at columbia there was -- they've now gone to remote classes until the end of semester. so if you're a student paying $90,000, you don't get in-person learning. here is the situation when hamilton hall had been taken over at columbia and a spokeswoman for those who were the occupiers came out and made a certain plea. at least one reporter pushed back.

>> reporter: so it seems like you're sort of saying we want to be revolutionaries, we want to take over this building, now would you please bring us food and water. howard: so, tim, with we engaged in law he isness, and could you send over some doordash? >> yeah. i saw the fact check that the dining services were open at columbia -- howard: well, you can't access them if you're occupying a hall. >> it does say something about it, you can take a moment from that press conference, snip it, it gets 40 million engagements, 40348 views, and that becomes a defining moment for what we're talking about on how the conversation goes forward. howard: the occupiers literally used a poll, if we can show this, to bring up a pizza box, but it wouldn't fit, so they had to settle for sandwich withs, mollie. >> well, it does also speak to some of the coordination that's going on here. we've seen some of the people who have been arrested aren't even students at these universities. we have seen even politico reported some of the democrat party 's biggest donors --

gates, soros, pritzker, rock feller -- are backing the groups that are backing these actions. there are lots of opportunities for interested journalists to look at the coordination behind this civil unrest and and how it's being well financed, again, by some of the democrat party's biggest donors. it also gives an opportunity for democrats to speak back -- howard: absolutely. and journalists are up blocked from doing their jobs in places like columbia and at ucla, tim, the student patient, daily bruin -- paper, reported that four of its journalists were followed and attacked, five to six assailants slapped the reporters, gassed them the, recorded them on on their cell phones, and thiess one reporter had to be hospitalized. >> yeah. and it's the second ucla example that you've brought up, and they're investigating that. those people are facing expulsion, suspension. it's a serious problem -- howard: maybe they should be facing jail if they're literally attacking and beating up on

finish. >> absolutely. howard: -- journalists for the local student paper which, by the way, ran an editorial, ucla is complicit in inflicting violence. they're not even allowed to do they are job. it's not a question of trying to do your job and you're between the police line and the protesters. they were actually targeted for physical violence by the ucla protesters. >> and it also doesn't help that you had journalism professors at northwestern and columbia, and you're absolutely right, these are schools viewed as very good in that a department, who have come out in support of some of the more radical elements of these protest movements. howard: do you think, i mean, these are -- they are paid, ultimately, with money, tuition, endowments and so forth. do you think they should keep their jobs by doing that? i'm not against academic freedom for them. >> again, the entire institution seems to have been taken over by the social justice immunology if k and that is one of the problems. -- ideology. students have the right to

protest, but it's also important to push back against the lies that are being told the about the jewish students, about's israel and about a america itself. howard: yeah. this has really shined a spotlight on that, and i think it's an an important debate, and i think it has changed a lot of people's minds about what's going on here. tim hogan, mollie hemingway, thanks so much. up next, two columbia students on the climate and the fear on the manhattan campus. ♪ ♪

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howard: to get a more personal understanding of what a campus life has been like during these violent protests, joining us now are two columbia university students, jessica and joe. jessica, i assume this has been a very emotional time for you. >> yeah. it has been quite scary. and also to see the sort of deinvolvement of the protests going from more peaceful and

calling for a ceasefire into something that's not even pro-palestinian anymore, it's just more anti-israel and to see the impact of that on my jewish friends, on my friends who are from israel, it's a very, very scary direction that the movement is taking. howard: yeah, absolutely frightening. jonas, how do you feel emotionally and particularly are about columbia going to all-remote classes for this semester is? is that a surrender? >> right. and i think that's a very important point that you raise. this has affected everyone whether they wanted to be or not. you see, we have students who are just trying to study for finals, and now they can't access the libraries or the dining halls, and a lot of them have moved out early. this encampment has disrupted the entire campus life, so much so that a lot of students don't even feel like they go to an ivy league university anymore. howard: yeah. well, that credential, i think, has been tarnished. jessica, what was it like when the antia-israel bro test ors

seized hamilton hall and when the nypd stormed the building and made dozens of arrests? what was it like to live through that? >> to be right next to the person bashing the windows in of hamilton hall where i've had many classes was surreal, truly, to watch that happen, to watch the glass shatter and almost fall on me and all the people who were also witnessing this event was incredible. i just couldn't believe that. also a public safety, clearly here the commotion that was going on expect danger that was coming from this -- and the danger that was coming from this, and no one ran to hamilton hall until well after the mob if had settled down. howard: so you were right there and actually the glass fell if near where you were. jonas, should columbia's leaders have called in the new york police days earlier so there would be no occupation of the building? >> well, i think what we saw was

just a lack of leadership from the very beginning. you know, the president of the united states decided that she was going to clear the encampment on april 18th, one day after it started, but she didn't follow through on that decision. she had the nypd pull out so they set up new encampments, and eventually she decided to negotiate with these student protesters who were violating the rules. so they escalated once the negotiations inevitably failed, and they occupied hamilton hall as a result. so i think everything that happened was a result of not taking decisive action from the beginning. howard: so, jessica, do you agree that the president totally mishandled this crisis and some are saying she should step down? >> i don't know if i'd say she totally mishandled it. ing i think she was caught in a very difficult position. however, when you do indulge protesters who are calling for the e will elimination of israel

and no longer fit into the category of peaceful protesters, you have to top indulging in these negotiations and start enforcing campus policy because if the priority should be to protect the safety of all students. not just the right to protest. howard: right. >> and especially when they're no longer peaceful. howard: i don't know if either of you is graduating, but are you going to go back to this campus in the fall? jonas. >> well, i'm a junior, so i have about a year left. i hope that everything is back with to normal in the fall. i would like to resume, you know, studying in the library withs, continue enjoying -- so we'll is have to see if the protesters continue their antics and whether the president actually takes a deceives line on this. howard: jessica. >> yeah, i'm definitely going to return. i also think it's important for people with this perspective to remain on campus and not be pushed out and not reward the scare tactics of the pro-palestinian demonstrators. howard: well, good for both of

you, and i appreciate your coming on. i appreciate you speaking out after having gone through this ordeal. thanks very much. >> thank you. howard: next on "mediabuzz," hope hicks testifies at the hush money trial, and donald trump's defense scores pones against the lawyer for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪ you were made to find inner peace. we were made to track flight prices to paradise.

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was being paid for fitness columns. pecker testified last week the -- 130,000 was actually to buy her silence. the pundits sharply split over department a. alvin bragg's case and the judge fining trump $9,000 for gag order violations even raising the specker of jail. -- specter of jail. >> davidson was very clear that the payments to the playboy model were made to influence the election. >> hope hicks didn't lay a finger on donald trump. so we're in day 11 with the 9th witness, and nobody has touched donald trump. >> i would like to note that if joe biden were actually the mastermind behind all these tries, then -- trials, then i think he would have actually not picked this one to be the first one with. >> then came this threat, jail may be a necessary punishment. this is their sycophant city. almost like judge merchan trying to, i don't know, it's almost like he's trying out for a future pot on "morning joe." howard: joining us now from nike

tomi lahren, host of tomi lahren is fearless on outkick, and here with me, ron williams, fox news political -- juan williams. tomi, hope hicks testified that both donald trump and michael cohen helped shape her responses to that a "wall street journal" inquiry. trump tweeted that cairn mcdougal was making false and extortionate accusations, but, in fact, "the enquirer" did pay her off nearly $150,000. is any of this hurting donald trump? >> no, not at all. and i think that hope hicks' testimony actually is going to help the former president president a lot. she comes across very likable, her being emotional on the stand, again, i think is going to lend to her credibility. obviously, very close to trump for so many years. so i think that her testimony only helped the former president. and the way that the immediate what is covering this, to me, or just shows what a shoddy case

this has been from the get go. i mean, a crime we're still looking to find here. but even when the liberal pundits and all the other networks have to say, oh, boy, this isn't going so well for the prosecution and donald trump is looking pretty untouched here, well, i think that that lends itself to the entire witch hunt claim that donald trump has made time and time again. howard: okay. >> when the liberal media can't find a crime. >>, there might not be a crime. howard: well, let me put up a text that hope hicks sent to michael cohen about the access hollywood tape. it will get played because the media is the worst. but he, trump, should just ignore and blow past it. and when that tape was talked about at the trial, juan, she put out -- she said her reaction let's get the tape and deny, deny, deny, which turned out not to be possible. >> it was not to be true. i mean, so what she said, basically, was that,s yes, you know, she lied to the "wall street journal," but that's what she was told to do by donald

trump. so, you know, to my mind, we have two theories here, howie. -- theaters. you have a theater in the courtroom of not only the jurors, but the american press corps that's in the courtroom. you remember you cannot televis- howard: right. we're relying on -- >> correct. so that's two groups there. and then you have people outside who are relying on that american media to understand what's going on in the donald trump case. i think a lot of people say is, oh, my god, it's like rain on the roof, it just keeps coming and coming every day. but some things do stand out because with it's lurid. it involve ises sex and lies and all that. and part of that, i think, that is not so great is the idea that hope hicks got emotional, teary, clearly could not look donald trump straight in the face because she still likes donald trump, apparently -- howard: yeah. of she didn't want to be there -- >> no. and then she says clearly, i had the lie for donald trump. howard: now, the there's a phone call that was played, surreptitiously recorded by

michael can cohen who, of course, has been jailed and disbarded, between cohen and trump about this very question about money for karen mcdougal. this is to old. we knew what it said, but we'd never if heard it. >> and i spoke to alan about it. when it comes time to the financing which'll be, listen -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to -- >> [inaudible] >> no, no, no, i got it. no, no, no. howard: so david there is david perk, then the ceo of the national end quirer, alan is alan aisle -- weisselberg, the since-convicted cf if o of the trump organization. so hearing the two of them talk about this, tomi, i don't know how much it proves, but it certainly sets the stage for the prosecution to argue that trump knew about all this. >> yeah. if that's their smoking gun, i hope they have another smoking gun. once again this has come town to the morality of donald trump and the affairs that he may or may not have had. it still doesn't go to the criminality of what donald trump

did or what he knew. so if that's the smoking gun, they're going to have to come up with more than that. i think the it makes michael cohen look far worse. obviously, a known liar, convicted liar and somebody who desperately wanted to be a part of the trump administration. so i think once again as judge jeanine said the other day on "the five," fun -- none of this has touched donald trump that i think results in a conviction. we'll have to the wait and see. but i think michael cohen, if that's their star witness, again, this seems to be falling apart before their very eyes. howard: one thing that nobody seemed to like, dealing with michael cohen. and after the election, he wasn't -- hadn't been repaid. he was later, for the $150,000 payment. and he toll keith davidson who was the lawyer for both stormy daniels and karen mcdougal -- excuse me, he toll davidson, yeah, that can you f-ing believe i'm not going to washington after everything i've done for that f-ing guy?

he wanted a job in the white house. does any of this matter? and on cross-examination, by the way, don -- juan, excuse me, so excited about this. trump's lawyer asked davidson about digging up celebrity dirt on hulk hogan, on lindsay lohan, on charlie sheen, essentially portrayed him as a sleaze bag. does that work? >> well, the whole thing is rather tawdry. howard: yeah. >> people involved in this slimy business, it really reveals what you see when you're walking through the supermarket and see these tabloids. you know, the credibility is just not good. but what was telling was hater on, you know, keith davidson extends a note to to dylan howard after the election, oh, my god, can you believe what we've done? >> being the editor of the national enfirer -- inquirer. >> one of these guys are what you would call highly credible. but the attacks, you can imagine if, are going to be coming fast and furious when it comes to michael cohen.

howard: yeah. >> and they already have started. and they're going to continue. the question is, okay, he's already a convicted lie grar -- liar, but is it the case that if you're on that journey finish jury you would say, you know what? he paid in this money himself without any instructions from. donald trump given what you've now heard on tape e as you just played it, should this be paid in cash or not? howard: when "the wall street journal" reported in 20218 trump's already president about what happened happened with stormy daniels and so forth with her lawyer's help, he denied it. she said my involvement with donald trump was limited to the few public appearances. rumors that i received hush money from donald trump are completely false. that was obviously a lie. she also said on jimmy kimmel 's show that she needed a signaturd her signature wasn't her signature. so doesn't that pretty seriously ding her credibility, tomi?

>> there's a lot of individuals in this where their credibility has to be yesterday. i mean, we're talking about playmates and we're talking about adult film stars. not to december credit the work that -- discredit their professional endeavors, whatever those may be -- [laughter] but there is a lot of questions here to the credibility who's trying to get famous, who's trying to ride the coattails of donald trump to get famous, who's december gruntinged? again, a lot of this going back the an n da, which a lot of people have signed ndas, settlements. going back to where is the crime here? you want to talk about donald trump maybe being not the best guy, we can have that discussion. but is he a criminal for it? no, i don't think so. howard: remember, the alleged crime is having to do with falsifying expense records for michael cohen. and just let me throw this in, there have been, of course, the gag order. judge juan merchan fining trump $9,000. he's not going to send him to jail, that's ridiculous. but my favorite part of this whole story, this post from donald trump.

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coverage, marjorie e taylor greene is ready to officially file a motion this week to oust spiker -- speaker mike johnson. >> now we have hakeem jeffries and the democrats coming out, embracing mike johnson with a warm hug and a big, wet, sloppy kiss, and they are ready -- they have endorsed him, they are ready to support him as speaker. howard: i can't unsee that image. but it turns out the other party may save job soften's gavel. finish -- johnson's gavel. >> is it an honor for democrats to back you? >> look, i haven't asked anyone to do that, there's no exchange of anything here. they're doing that spontaneously. howard: tomi, are journalists back to kicking marjorie taylor around because they think that mike johnson showed courage in getting through the aid to ukraine and israel bill which they also favor? >> listen, i don't like what speaker johnson did with that ukraine aid package with no border security.

that infuriated me as a key republican. but -- conservative republican. but i will say congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, what are you doing? you can't do this without a replacement. we've seen this song and dance before, this dog and pony show before. right now the left is self-destructing in front of our very eyes, and there are some republicans sitting back and saying, hey, guess what, hold my beer. let's do what we can do on our side. no, no, not. i understand the frustrations here, but now is not the time for the firing squad against fellow republicans. let the left eat it own tail, not start going after after one of our own again. if you got discrepancies, do it behind closed doors, voice your grievances and frustrations. but to do this again when the left is imploding, now the right wants to implode on itself, what are you doing? howard: juan, journal with es used to treat mtg as kind of a space cadet, and then they wrote these new respect stories when she became an ally of kevin

mccarthy before he was ousted, and now she's a fringe character? >> she is a fringe if character. but the story here, to me, is something tomi was just picking up on. you watch the media coverage of this, we're here on "mediabuzz," and what you see is that people are either playing up this story or not playing up this story based on which side of the political spectrum they're on. because if you're on the right, you say, wait a minute, let's talk about the student protests. let's argue that they're not about what's going on in gaza, but anti-semitism, all that. let's look at all this chaos on the streets and attach that to the democrats. now, the worry -- as articulated by tom mi -- was on the right, wait a second, we don't want more stories about dysfunction in congress given that congress is so unpopular anyway, but republicans failing to get anything done. instead of attacking each other, let's just keep the peace there. but there's lots of angst going back to the failure of the

border security bill that had been backed by republicans and defeated because trump didn't want it passed during an election year, til now saying, oh, after kevin mccarthy, they're going to get rid of johnson, and it only takes one vote? if it looks like she man gas. -- shenanigans. howard: even some republicans oppose this coup attempt precisely because the minority leader has made clear the democrats are going to try to save the speaker. so the media are portraying what the congresswoman is doing as kind of a kamikaze mission. >> yeah. and, again, we don't need to be doing this to ourselves. this is not the time, fellow republicans. this is not the time to be doing this. my frustration with a few of these republicans that i might agree with on certain points is they seem to want more media limelight, more social media influence, and they actually want to influence the country in a positive direction, and it drives me crazy. if you want to be an influencer, go on instagram, go on tiktok. but if you claim to be

advocating for the american people and the conservatives around this country, what are you doing that's any better than what speaker johnson did? is because you're taking our time and attention from real issues to get media spotlight finish. >> and let me just say from the democrats' point of view, the democrats have an opportunity now to portray themselves as the adults in the room in a disfunctional room filled with people who are finger-pointing and trying to be social media influencers. howard: met me ask you this, juan, why would congresswoman greene go through this if she's going to lose anyway? tomi kind of teed up my question, is because she's back to building her brand through social media and doesn't particularly care what the press thinks? >> i think she doesn't care even what fellow republicans think. again -- howard: most republicans are not with her. >> i was about to make that point. most republicans are not with her. this is not representative of the republican party in the congress of the united states. this is representative of people on the fringe.

i think marjorie taylor greene has three other republicans who support this. she is not going to win. but she will get lots of press attention, and it will damage the republican brand, in my opinion. howard: yeah. except that, you know, it's possible the democrats can't pull it off. they're going to try to table this motion. maybe they will, maybe they won't. i must say if there's any if precedent in my adult lifetime for one party saving the rob of the other party's speaker, not on a piece of legislation or something, saving the job of speaker, i can't think of it. maybe it happened -- [inaudible] or something. tom maine heroin, juan williams, great to see you both. still to come, some msnbc stars worried about getting the boot, and the trump campaign boot, and the trump campaign finds some oppo on rfk jr. ♪ om home... ...so he scheduled with safelite in just a few clicks. we came to his house... then we got to work. we replaced his windshield...

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howard: msnbc hosni coal wallace delivered a warning to viewers about the danger to democracy if donald trump wins another term. >> depending on what happens in november -- [laughter] seven months from right now, this time next year, i might not be sitting here. there might be a white house correspondents' dinner or a free press. howard: now, in fair ifup, and i asked the former president about this, trump once said n if bc along with cnn should be taken off the air. so nicole's fans save him? her, excuse me. she's not the only one. here's donny deutsche on "morning joe." >> what he's going to do, to your point, joe, is have the fcc report to him so he will be able to control shows like this. howard: except the fcc has zero authority over ca cable networks like msnbc. kristi noem's book has come back to bite her -- sorry. the south dakota governor has spent a week trying to explain

why she fatally shot her dog and goat as well. why would any politician choose to reveal that to the world? she now says she was trying to protect her children. the dakota scout has revealed a new problem, she never met with kim jong un as she had claimed. the publisher will address conflated world leaders' names. it was a huge national media controversy when arizona's highest court resurrected a law from 1864 back when the state was just a territory that bans abortion except if the mother's life is in danger. even donald trump said e this had to be fixed, but republican lawmakers incested they wouldn't with budge. well -- insisted they wouldn't with budge. well, a few republican dissenters have now joined with democrats to kill the civil war era a law. does rfk jr.'s independent candidacy draw more votes from joe biden or donald trump? unclear. but the trump campaign now if

seems more worried at the moment and just dug up this two-decade-old video from bobby. >> red state people are more likely to burden you, to impregnate your teenage daughte- [laughter] to commit if a violent crime against you, to commit a nonviolent crime against you, to watch desperate housewives on t- [laughter] if to buy pornography, to buy, you know, degenerate video games like grand theft auto. howard:. watch desperate housewives, is that a major or character flaw? that's it for this edition. i'm howard kurtz. subscribe to my if daily podcast, daily buzz meter. i tell you, covering all these stories, the trial and all that a takes a lot of work, but we're happy to do it for you. we'll see you next sunday, 11 eastern, right here. ♪ ♪

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