yet in spain, states imposed on these you was enshrined in law, diminishing the plight of countless victims of frank coast. 36, you take, take the shape with a group of survivor. it says launched an international law suit hoping to bring those accountable to justice and force the country to acknowledge its fascist, bossed. the silence of others. witness all now to sierra. the ties between greece and israel have strengthened in recent years despite a long history of supporting the palestinian cause. relationship fuels, in part by a shared mistrust of another regional power to a kid. but in light of israel's war and gaza, greece is now forced to play the role of critical friend, while the same time advancing a full blown confrontation with his old address re. i'm correct. join me need falk over the next hoffman house. squeeze this far administer your go scatter for

treatise talks to ouch is here the go square, patrice as welcome to talk to out. just so pleasant a no, no, thank you. for the invitation. they were staying on the precipice of a potential, full blown is rarely invasion. of rough and southern gaza, causing huge concerns about the implications on the should be in this area and situation that the civilian population that so much so that even the united states, the storage i live, is around, as urged, is around to show restraint as another ally of israel, what conversations are you having with your is ready to counterpart specifically about rafa and the conflict when you're in the library i thing you will have to be very honest, very open, very from instance here. so our main point is that any sort of invasion to alpha should be avoid this and prevented at the moment. there is

a huge combination of the population in the roughly it's a very overcrowded region. and any sort of invasion could close that dramatic humanitarian crisis, which we needs to avoid. so our advice is that they should be prevented by any possible means whether i really want to say is that at this moment, we're just not the very crucial johnstone. it's a difficult situation that we're encountering because of the overload of on their own speech. feet spillover effects in the region, we have the situation in lab and none of the situation in syria, in the red sea. obviously we had things eventually the it on both of these very moment or part. this needs to have a very high level of uh, set for say, talking about surface train. this must be an incredibly difficult diplomatic position. the greece has been put in recently to quotes, permanent security echo. so let's, let's talk is back in november,

said of israel quote, sometimes friends have to speak hard truths to friends that was 5 months ago. has this sort of been listening to any of those truths? what i have to say is that in this position, you have to be very open, but you have to be a room based a lot, i think. and just from the very 1st day, we had the opportunity to be very open, but also very principals in our policy. we didn't take any side. what we said was that we need to the social shapes. the 3rd is the thoughts, the how most organization from the promising and people we said that the ease, ryan is had the rights to defend themselves. but we think the boundaries of humanitarian law and all their all international law. we say it's costly just should not be kept because this is the time it gets any sort of international law using people us too much sense. and what we also said was that we need to minimize

to the maximum the civilian losses. obviously all of these were not sure, but the, the international community had these lots of goods. the point here is it needs that we have to be as pressing as possible in order to implement the eventually the, the hold of the facilities. at the moment. what we're planning for is that on the students' needs to believe that there is a credible way out. and this is why we're fully supporting the 2 state solution ways, according to their distribution. the visual vision of the, i think we've come from of the united nations with the east generation that mazda a competency to of the other side state. and of course, with the pre, 1967 borders. the thing is now that the whole community, the whole international community, next to exercise the maximum pressure upon the parties in order to reach an agreement that they really appreciate what cutoffs and egypt and other art up

states are doing. and the efforts of the european union, how convinced all those goals, partners, our states? i mean, obviously you were here in the region to speak to, to permanent figures. how convinced all those partners here in the middle east and further feel that you are willing to push israel as far as you possibly can on this at the moment? is there a reason? i think a consensus was in the european union partners that we need to have an immediate cease fire and we needs to further develop our humanitarian needs towards palestine . there is a consensus on uh, on this point and i don't think there is um, any divergence. what we need to do is to find the actual modes in order to exercise further pressure on their partners. and i'm speaking both for the mouse and uh for each right. um i seen each of us with some photos at the moment to move sides. we joined efforts because there are a lot of funding left which taking place the the,

um, uh there is the we need to do. there is a good opinion initiatives that are on the american initiative. we'd have to actually combine all of those part on the left for us in order to have a single efforts to be more effective and meaningful. i wonder if we kind of focused on that you are p and initiative. speaking of the harvard center for your p and studies last year, you said that quote, global governance needs to be based on principles, not just international standards of law, but coherent and consistent policy on a matter of consistent policy. to use dressing with speech, how's greece being consistent in defending international, more and gaza? as you add the e. u has been when it comes to the war and ukraine and russia's invasion. i take that to imply that we have double standards, but the thing is that when it comes to breeze, we have a very strong principles for the policy. we have exactly the same standards when it comes to me, the least or to ukraine or to have such

a hard and not freak out any other sort of conflict. they both something is here that we fully abide by international law. we fully abide by the rules and more of a sofa, uh, international humanitarian law. and we have comments, thunder. it's the thing is, 1st that we needs to actually conduct any sort of aggression and the trustees, that's it is a lot of aggression coming from various a started stadium, knocks us. secondly, what we need to stress either is the human dignity is up to the top of our priority . again, i have to stress the point that we cannot accept the loss of civilian people, but at the same time we cannot accept in any. busy way that keeping costs of disease or practice in order to get the leverage to a hub. uh, introduction of benefits. what i'm saying is that we apply on international law standards. we have to be stronger, but also we have to be as pressing as possible. what we really locks is the

implementation of, of our basic beliefs, because because the trustees need that international law in these respects and the international side keeps throughout the picture. when it comes to me please, but also to ukraine cost fades in my eyes. there is no case of doubles thunder and sniff. um, what i have to say is, is that we are totally against any sort of aggression. so there is no aggressions up could be tolerable only when someone defense that it's on here, when it comes with defensive state authority and integrity, it's children. 3, when it's about the 2030 a law only. then we have a principal policy and they have to show you that when it comes to they going to be in union, and especially when it comes to race. i think we have a very strong single stand those policy when it comes to ukraine. when it comes to um, the list from the very 1st time and we said that there is a rights defense defense for his room about the same time. we cannot accept any

sort of disproportionate reaction and according to just jumping in on the disproportionate reaction that use like the, i mean house, for instance, germany, the powerhouse is economic powerhouse. a viewer has it's born, keeps support for israel over the years with huge amounts of ministry, supports the tickets, right. how about complicated your relations? steal aspirations for peace in the region. that's not complicated. greece is relationship with by that. um, exactly, because we have a very principles policy when it comes to the me listening. if we are able to talk to all interested parties up to this very moment, we can speak to the radio affiliate officials as well to the from the senior officials. we speak to uh, jordan, we speak to the number we speak to egypt. we speak to obviously to our uh, goes partners. we speak to all parties here. we have us uh, shopped in, so it should germany be showing with strange. i think that was the question. i'm trying to ask when just remodel view is we're talking when it comes to jim support

is billions of dollars in naval vessels. we're looking at some marines and vehicles . explosive device is not to mention tank, an aircraft pause. what does it mean to you? the e u made weapons are being used in this theater of war in gaza with such a devastating consequences. no guns should be used in an offensive way. that's our, i'll give you. the guns are produced in order to prevent any sort of course that is in order to be used as a defensive mechanism. and in order to prevent the international security, many human rights groups say those weapons being used in goals are to indiscriminately and disproportionate be killed. do you believe israel's war and gaza is indiscriminate the icing? know that it has been a a disproportionate defense here. i think that the best tool is huge is, should not have happens, but obviously when, when uh, the other party,

you know, who is using people as human shields. it's very difficult to operate any sort of defense. on the other hand, what i'm saying is that we should prevent any sort of of, uh, cvd and mostly is what i'm suggesting is that by fueling the conflict by continuing this on, hinted unrestricted flow of web re, i'm a from a prominent e u member states surely is not going to lead to peace to pull the right lever, in order to judge israel to step away from its current trajectory would surely mean doing something more affirmative. the clearly we need to do so the things of these of the is read. we need to be more pressing. we have discussed these during our, for the 1st comments in the luxembourg. and i think we would find ways to, to be more pressing the forthcoming for failure for right now, for a comes in, in,

in process where we're going to invite the is ready for administer. and we're going to hear how the situation is from. she's your point, the truth is i, i think that there is a, you know, limited and are straight to this point. there's going to need me to him on the european union partners. thought this very moment. the war needs to stop or we should allow further space for diplomacy to prevent and we needs to provide a vision to the front of thing and people swear to the states solution. in april 2021 is running grease. you signed your biggest defense procurement deal to you. i mean, the deal includes this $1650000000.00 contract to train the greek air force. 5 is where the defense contracts are a bit systems as over a 22 year period. that's a serious commitment between greece and israel. will you, will government be reviewing those military ties in light of what we're seeing in the, in the middle east and the israeli oregon. and to be honest name,

i don't think it's the time to actually revisit our contracts in our strategic partnerships. i think the moment is here to 2 minutes to 3 minutes what message does not send in terms of your commitment to peace. and the reason the commitment to peace is our principal auto duty to uh, uh, to claim for, for a ceasefire to claim for further money. so i didn't need to be a sincere mediation, was because the truth is now new. that's countries like greece is more useful, never the same was cathartic because we aren't able to talk to both parties know, find countries come talk to both countries. and this is the outcome of our route based policy. obviously we, let's start digit partnership with caesar. and we'll have them carpet, there's a nice thing, it is important to have so that the dick alliances in uh, in the region. but these cars not prevented us from being very strong and very thoughtful with these. right. how would you explain the growing closeness between

greece and israel and recent years off to rule previous greek governments? i think it's fair to say have been very sympathetic to the posting cause i mean the back of 1982. it was greek ships that was sent to bring the p l. o leader. yes, to her thoughts to athens. what's happened over the years? nothing. we still have a excellent relationship with the uh, big states and especially with the palestinian authority from the very 1st time what we said was that we should prevent any sort of the legend. my thirty's ation awful. for the 1st thing in the 40 to one of the major problems now is that we do not have a credible interrupt from the public opinion side. because in the course of the will, there has been a demoralization off of the policy and i'll forward it to you from the very 1st day we said that we would like to see the policy, you know, forwarded to being a creditable discussions. we think that the palestinian authority represents the policy and people and this is why i myself visited my line and i hosted the for in

minnesota. and i have 2 laptops with the high level of the political leadership in palestine. we have an excellent relationship. we fully support them. we have provided you with some extra money tied in support. and we intend to be again, i am saying this. we intend to be very honest with the tours in these uh, toner mind. i ask about the garden closeness between greece and israel because it appears to me i'm just looking in from the inside. that's that relationship is based upon a shed, mistrust off to you and correct. it's no secret, of course. he remained at all just over the territory of the status of cyprus. the list goes on to 1st of all, i'd like to say that agrees voltage things say well are off of the seas fight on the front of the community and 8. during the, during, i was simply off of the united nations and we produced together, we produce with the allies uh,

the resolution to stop listing repairs and provide further humanitarian aid. now, when it comes to international politics, i have to tend to go very frankie, neve, that we do not follow any sort of transaction. i'm going to say what reply is that we have some joint interest with is rarely because we, we go against the 2 key. this is not the case. i have to tell you this on 2 grounds . first, as a matter of principle, because what we do has nothing to do with getting any collateral benefits. from my 1st day in the for the ministry, i said that i would follow it very well based policy, a very preschool policy. and i have fully abided by this, so i do not expect to have any gains from my country's policy. the cert from the thing is that right now we are in the state of improving our relationship with duty . we have done that lots of significant steps in order to mitigate our tensions.

the truth is that in the last year we have made it to actually reduce central needs abroad the origin. we have made it to develop a positive agenda. nevertheless, to create has continually accused you of minutes rising the gene as an other one's words, it's not happening. so what do we have to say that uh the uh, restrict key relationship is based on international law. it's not something that is determined by the voluntary is to do the venue of those states or international law explicitly proclaims that uh the the, the islands, the agree and not allowed to belong to greece. there is, um, a line. busy of uh, items uh that uh, protects it fully protected by international law. reese is exercising the full legitimate provides to defense the island sense of defense of the country. it's obviously when you have a huge army, just across the net in a couple of minds,

these funds, you need to be very well prepared. having said that, i need to say that we are working for peace and i think we have strong explicit evidence that we uh, 150 to be close to us. and indeed, our prime minister mutual talk is, is going to wrong cut on the 13th of may. we're going to have a very productive dialogue. this is coming in the after months of full phrase. and they're the ones visit to athens of the 7 hope this of the 7th of december last year. we signed and very important to both from, from the point of view of this importance from nature as well as from the practical viewpoints and political decoration indicating good neighbor realizations and friendly supplemental funds. so you, if you could definitely cool this in your eyes, very much our approach mom, but still as i mentioned, underlying tensions remain when the recent days took. you describe the decision to designate parts of the gmc on iron. you can see as greek nature pox,

they say you'll simply exporting issues to push your geo political agenda, namely to a so a control over the entire region is all greece is doing that. no. because as i said, we're not doing any transaction. i'm totally fixed to start with. what we're doing is just to preserves our environments and in nature's environments. last week we had the very successful reunion. 9 please. we have the nines, our ocean conference, it's a huge conference about the preservation of authors and oceans worldwide. we have $125.00 delegations from around the world. it was very important. catherine. uh we had about 400 commitments amounting to about 11000000000 euros bureau is about among our commitments as well as the establishment of the 2 box in greece. running the army into wandering, the gmc, what we're saying is that to those bach, we'd be devoid of making sure to find nonsense rotation. you know that exactly. to

preserve the sustainability of the water environments uh, in that region. this is clearly within the shop runs in silver and right, so for the, for grease that has helped us get beat them up. so please allow me to consider that there was another reaction concerning this declaration from, from us. but we have here to agree on something which is important when it comes to environment of sustainability. we cannot do geopolitics and environmental. sustainability is a need for they can monitor if these are global challenge. and if it takes them some brave decisions and we're going to make those rate is in the interest of smoothing tension. so easing tension. so with your lodge historical neighbour, of course, you've had many tension so many years. would it be prudent to reduce your military presence in the likes of the island of costs, for instance, according to, to k, a. m, you know, under the 1947 peace treaty,

there shouldn't be any greek troops there in the 1st place. now in my eyes, this is a misreading of the truth is it allows you to know i'm, i'm, i'm a lawyer and then they're making, they can read, treat this the trophies that we preserve the necessary military in order to defend ourselves. and i think there is not a single person that would consider that these would cover any sort or for, for offense investigations against the to with you. um, we are a relatively small nation, but um, you know, that we have to defend ourselves. we have to exercise a fully fledged policy or for, for a national defense. and this is where we're going to do a um, in an ideal words, i would say is that obviously we wouldn't need to have any arms. but given the fact that there is an army set on the nose from various neighborhoods, i think that it's necessary to have a strong, okay,

and just have an army also spend perhaps more than any of the country or many, many countries. i mean, back in 2022, greece was spending more in defense than any other country as a portion of g d p. well, those are the 2 percent special required as a, as a native member in your opinion, continued to be money well spent given recent economic term or increase. of course the country is recovering well, but never the less is this money well spent fuel fences. there are 2 questions here, whether we're doing when and whether we should do any notion of the different spending. so i wouldn't take a lot to have to stop with. what i suggest is yes or having a national defense expenditure, which is above the average. and i have to tell you that this is a totally explicable, if someone reads history. unfortunately, we're not the luxembourg, and we're not living in a very peaceful neighborhood. and the trustees that we have to be very well

prepared, greece is a country with the greatest c shaw in europe. we have a very loud c, so we have to defend our islands. we have to defend our region. so obviously we need to do some addition, i'm not strong defense spending, whether this is well deserved. i will tell you that this is a democratic summons if the electron says that it's money, what spends they need these web spend? then these governments has for the 2nd consecutive time, a huge extra victory over 41 percent of the elect sort of voted in favor of our program. so i will tell you that there is a photos respects of our program. now on the other side of the core, and i would say that the fax that police is doing extremely well in the economic sector and allow us to just invest not only obviously national defense,

but certainly another aspect in associated state and also in investments. greece is expected to have the growth rate of 3 percent next in these kind of year 2024 was bigger ego, but it is going to be 0.8. so you can see that we have a 3 time i pray to do the fees and on bruce is on other states. so we are allowed to do some spending. and indeed the maximum of our spending close to social needs and investments. what, what does it, what does it mean to you? to no longer be perceived as the economic sick mind of your, a physical store of self confidence. to start with that process that we have the huge start balance. we have the 10 years or full file stated the policies we have, we had we, we were very close to actually get out of the group. and you know, because of our fiscal situation, and we have to go through a series of, of a very unfortunate incidence, including the persistence of population,

we increase population gathering, a very difficult situation. one step away from the european union. we model survive and nice thing breaks people's folds up and high level of maturity too. and when it came to the crucial of 2019 elections, the people voted for the government that would bring box res into normality and bring back fries into the european farming. and now were very proud to say such, we have 5 significantly reduced all depths that we have significantly increase our 2 to be and we have a board approval. we have a very sustainable environment for investments. we have a 35 percent increase on exports and we have a 30 percent increase on direct for any investments. and i'm probably going to say that some can know some companies have come to reason the last 5 years,

including the pfizer will be amazon meta uh, the only invest increased because they think that rece provides a very strongly foundation for investments. and i would like to actually quoted for through go trying them to potentially investors to check out the grease because this is going to be the economic miracle in terms of investment for the future. probably briefly as a last question, i want to put this to you because you seem very, very aware of the need for diplomacy. the need to ease tensions. that is part of a difficult time. how optimistic all you of the europe that we know remaining stable. so we have a problem in this, and the problem is that, um, there is unusual for, for the way we take decisions with decision making. mechanisms and international organizations seems to be quite obsolete at the moment. what happened was in the afternoon of the 2nd world war, we had an international uh, uh,

not where we have to get together. but we had to develop also a national voice with international organization. then that led to the victor rights policy and the security council of the united nations and choose a, you'd appear in union with victor. right? possibly has been a huge snag in order to gets to where to adoption of decision. and i think this is going to be the problem for the years to come. the fact that we have and at an international decision making quits, prohibits the states the international uh organization from taking decisions that are resolved. so we ended at cookchildrens russian and we have 2 visits. that way we take decisions and above all, we have to put the, the, the global above the, the states we have to seeing more of the future. we have to think more about the

generations to come. we have to think about shared challenges such as the climate crisis, the food and security. and we have to think about the children of yoga scatter. patrice this, thank you for talking to out just because of funding. thank you so much. the the challenges with the

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